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post #111 of 129 Old 11-10-2014, 03:37 PM
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I do have a full cheek snaffle we've used on her too. Interestingly, she worked better in the D-ring, but that may be because it has copper rollers which she spent a lot of time fiddling with. Maybe it kept her stubborn brain occupied and made her forget to be ornery. :)

The back doctor was a chiro, but we also had a PPE done by a vet when we bought her and he checked her back thoroughly. She has a bit of a lump on one vertebra which both the chiro and vet said was probably from an old injury of some sort but not something that should affect her riding at all.

We'll do more of those exercises you recommended. We do several of them already, but probably not enough of them. The horse is used in lessons 3x a week, so the other days are the ones we can do these exercises.

She does trot in any size circle without any issues at all. She doesn't fight it or counter-bend or anything she shouldn't. It's the cantering that's an issue for her, and more to the left than right. But this is a big improvement. She used to buck every time you asked for a canter! She hasn't done that in months now. I celebrate every bit of progress. :)
Lots of cantering then lots of circles then slowly combine. Honestly she just sounds uncomfortable/stiff. I would make bending/suppling exercises a focus. It's great you already do them but I think to help this issue to do them more. Use whatever bit works best. I would keep it soft though and think of it more as physical training then mental.
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Yogiwick - The Dutch gag (or Pessoa) Gag is classed as an elevator bit as well - works on the same principle - just the bit slides up and around the curve of the ring. It should also really have two reins if you use the lower rings
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To clarify - I wasn't suggesting ecasey use the Swales Pelham I was just explaining how it differs from a standard Pelham
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I'm in agreement with Yogiwick regarding the mare could have stiffness and needs a good warm up with stretches prior to ridding. I do the stretches after I tack up. A good book on stretches is 'stretch exercises for your horse' by Karin Blignault. She shows how to stretch your horse from the ground as well as under saddle. The spiraling excercises are part of the under saddle work. Nice simple little book.

Also agree that I wouldn't worry about the circle just the correct bend.

Could be in the past she was nagged in the past with keeping the bend and now doesn't 'listen' to the aids.

Try riding the circle with a diamond inside the circle. At each point of the diamond ask for a good bend. Then don't ask again until the next point. Only ask at the four points. After a few circle when coming across centerline change rein and go in the opposite direction.

I had the counter flexing issue with my gelding a few years ago. My instructor suggested I let him counter flex half way around the circle. Harder to do that than going correctly. He went well after that...for awhile. Started the counter flexing again so I let him go all the way around the circle counter flexed. He would counter flex going down the long wall. So I kept him counter flexed through the corners. I don't have a problem now.

Try the book and some of those stretches. Your horse will look forward to them.

Sorry this is off the original topic of bits.
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I took some video today. It's not a perfect view of what she does but it's decent. I'll try to get them uploaded tomorrow!

“When I bestride him, I soar, I am a hawk: he trots the air; the earth sings when he touches it; the basest horn of his hoof is more musical than the pipe of Hermes. ” ~ William Shakespeare
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I'm in the process of uploading this video of our mare that I put together (with explanations along the way). Here's the link (I'm guessing it'll be live on Youtube in about an hour from now.)


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Looking at that I would stick with the full cheek French link bit, if you wanted a bit of poll pressure from leverage then maybe a Baucher bit with a French link mouthpiece - perhaps the lozenge type
I think her problem isn't so much the turning its the cantering itself, she's unbalanced, dropping her weight on her forehand so when she tries to make that turn 'the wheels fall off' she doesn't know what to do with her legs and she throws her head to the 'wrong' side in an effort to try to steady herself
I think some more fitness work, lots of exercises to improve her flexibility and work on her canter just in straight lines for the time being until she's more balanced and collected and not just 'running around'
The same applies to her trot in that she needs less speed and more of the type of impulsion that improves her ability to 'lift herself'
Your daughter needs to be careful not to let her legs drift so far forward - because she should be able to have her inside leg on the girth and the outside one just behind it to help old the horse into that curve
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That wasn't my daughter, but point taken. :)

I'll have to google that bit you mentioned. I've never heard of that one.

I had a trainer do some longe line work with her today. She was fine at the walk. Okay at the trot. Hoooorrible at the canter (as you might expect). We'll add this once per week to try and help too.

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Lots and lots of long and low trot work with her learning to push her butt up under herself, trot poles, straight lines and spirals at the trot, will really help this pony. My mini mare was the same way....she could and would trot circle (driving not riding) but was soooo rushy and strung out. When asked to center on a 20.for line
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I wonder if this UK company would ship to France? You can try different bits on a 30 day period before you buy them - if you don't like then you return
We're having better results with K in a Baucher bit than with anything else but also getting her out of the manege situation and doing sneaky schooling on the trails has worked the best for her
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I just ordered one from a French company. Baucher is a French word (and French Link ... well ... I could guess it's also from around these parts), so perhaps that bit was invented here. Anyway, it should arrive in a few days and we'll give it a go. Thanks for the suggestion! I'm willing to try just about anything, including the exercises that have been mentioned here. I think that will make the biggest difference, but using aids that send clear signals is also important.

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