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post #11 of 23 Old 07-14-2018, 12:55 AM
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Hard to see anything in that video as she is not moving forward at all.

Get your instructor to have a look at her with you. Ride her out of the arena on her own to see if she is barn sour at all.

As for price get that sorted before you get her vetted. Use her age against her (not that 17 is old) offer 1,300 cash in hand subject to the vet. They will not take that but it is a starting point, you can always go up! This gives you wriggle room.

As said, offer a deposit with the understanding - in writing, that if she fails the vet it is returned.
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I specified a non-refundable deposit because most sellers won't hold a horse, remove it from sale, without one. I won't take refundable deposit, because since the buyer isn't the least bit bound, I wouldn't allow myself to be bound either, it would still be first come first served. If the horse doesn't pass the PPE, the deposit is refundable anyhow because the horse failed so isn't the horse the person put the deposit on. That's why I said "non-refundable, pending results of PPE". If the horse fails and the buyer passes, then they should get their deposit back. If the buyer doesn't get around to doing the PPE or decides at the last moment they found another horse they like better, whatever, then I have at least some compensation for taking the horse off the sales list or turning down a potential buyer. Can't tell you how many times in all my years of doing this, that buyers who definitely wanted the horse, were never heard from again.

Check the laws in your state. Some states say the owner has to furnish the current Coggins, a lead & halter, other states don't specify or leave it between the seller & buyer. Just make sure you get a good bill of sale with pics of the horse, since you say grade, regardless of anything else.

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I agree with it being non refundable if the buyer just changes their mind. I said to get it refundable on paper if it fails the vet.
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Personally, I'm not much of a haggler. The furthest I've "bargained" in the purchase of a horse is asking that they include (always local) transportation to me, or that they throw in some of the tack.

In my mind, almost a 25% discount seems like a lot. I'd definitely discuss it with them sooner rather than later, so as not to waste their time or yours.

Best of luck with your purchase and your search! Keep us updated!

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I too never offer full price and most people do price their horses with wiggle room...
If she is advertised for $1900, then I would offer $1300 and go to your limit if you really, really love the horse of $1500...
Deposit to hold the horse refundable if the PPE exam is unsatisfactory to you and a "fail"....
Before going back, or setting up a PPE you do need to ask if the price is negotiable at all based upon the PPE findings of just of you go back and find the horse so perfect you would take the chance and purchase as is.


The one thing that concerns me...
Are you always going to ride with others?
You need to take that horse and ride her out and off the property by herself, alone, no accompanying horses to see if she will go, if she will listen and see how she rides alone.

She can go from being a sweetheart to a absolute nut and loony horse in a instant without her buddies and security guards accompanying her...
If you find that, then you have some serious things to think about, consider and a lot of $$ negotiating room.
The horse currently though is off, anyway you want to put it she is lame.
A negotiating point right there if she just saw the farrier who does her hooves all the time and he sored her...what and why did that happen and what else is hiding you need to know about.

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IMO would personally be very, very cautious about purchasing an obviously lame 17 yr old horse. The excuse "recently shod" doesn't sound valid to me for the following reasons:


1) IMO sound horses are fully "recovered" from any tenderness after trimming/shoeing within 24 hours.

2) A sound horse should not become unsound after a correct trim/shoe


3) Unsound horses can be given some relief by corrective shoeing, thus the horse might have been more lame prior to the shoeing


4) It is one of the most frequent sales pitches used "Oh the horse might be a little sore because he was just recently shod"
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I contacted the owner today and let her know that I appreciated their time in letting me come to ride the other day and I'm just taking some time to think things over. I am grateful I posted here. The friend I took with me was not all that concerned about the lameness in the hind leg but she did notice it. She advised me that the horse is sound enough to be ridden and therefore not a big issue. Upon further thought though I'm becoming more hesitant. I would hate to cause the horse pain and I worry about the expenses surrounding a lame horse. I reviewed videos that the owners shared online and I can clearly see the same issue in videos they took prior to her feet being trimmed. I think I will proceed with a few other options I've been presented with (in my price range too!) and hope that those horses are sound. I told the owner I will be in contact with her by the end of the week and she was totally cool with that. The horse would not canter for me either which I assumed was because she was sore, but if she is always sore then there is not much hope for resolve there. I'm thinking now she is likely not my horse but we shall see! Thank you all for the advice, I will use it on my continued efforts with horse shopping! The search continues... haha
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Just remember, you will only get 2 out of 3. If she's safe & cheap, she won't be sound. If she's sound and cheap she'll probably be crazy. If you want safe and sound, it won't be cheap.

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tacked up two extra horses for us so we could go on a trail ride, basically let me do whatever I wanted.
This means she’s most probably not very good at being alone out on trails. If that makes a difference to you.
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I . The friend I took with me was not all that concerned about the lameness in the hind leg but she did notice it. She advised me that the horse is sound enough to be ridden and therefore not a big issue.
Anyone whomis not that concerned about a horse being lame when someone is trying it out prior to purchase is not the person to take with you when looking at horses.

I have taken many gambles with purchasing horses that have problems or injuries. I have bought these very cheaply and knew what I was doing.

I would never recommend that a novice friend did the same.
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