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post #41 of 56 Old 06-09-2016, 10:39 AM Thread Starter
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And her teeth were pretty bad, which surprised me. She looks to be in great condition, but I could see her dropping food so I knew they had to be overgrown. Sure enough, the vet said they were bad, but she will feel much better now. Her pointy teeth were making a dent in her gums from chewing before :(
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post #42 of 56 Old 06-09-2016, 11:04 AM
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Well, I assume if you have a closed herd and are never going to take your horse off-property and around other horses, I can sort of understand it... but we've had cases of strangles in this part of the country and that is extremely contagious. They also vaccinate against influenza, which is contagious and wreaks havoc on a horse's respiratory system. According to my vet, the flu does hit those big ranches out west and can be quite devastating.

In our case, since we will be continuing to show Harley, it's important to keep both horses vaccinated so they are protected and cannot be carriers that might transmit disease to every horse in a show, their herds, etc. etc. Even being in a trailer that was used by a sick horse can be enough for them to contract an illness! No way I'm taking that chance.
I'm not taking the chance either - even though I don't show, I agree it's important. BTW, in our area they don't typically vaccinate for Strangles (it's supposedly not effective and can lead to problems - that's not just anecdotal, - the professional opinion based on some pretty good recent research). We have it spreading around our area ugh. I'd vaccinate in a heartbeat for that one.
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post #43 of 56 Old 06-09-2016, 11:28 AM
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We have people in QLD Australia who don't vaccinate for the Hendra virus which is a bat borne virus.
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post #44 of 56 Old 06-09-2016, 11:34 AM
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I'm so happy you had the vet out. So many people assume the horse they bought has all the boxes checked and they can go on months without realizing there is an issue (or discomfort in the case of teeth).
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post #45 of 56 Old 06-09-2016, 07:37 PM
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Yes, I'm hoping it won't be too visible. I guess it's just because we don't brand horses in this part of the world, but I find brands unsightly. And given that they bought this horse with the intent of reselling it here, I'm not sure why they felt they had to brand it in the brief month they owned it. Oh well, it's done now. I just hate the thought of how painful that had to have been.
I don't remember which one you got this mare from, but I am not pleased that someone would buy/resell without doing vaccines!! Very... unscrupulous!

But they did brand..weird!

Yeah I wouldn't vaccinate for strangles as routine, especially if it was floating around!

Around here it's Rabies EEE/WEE/West Nile (mosquito diseases) and Tetanus. Flu/Rhino is recommended for traveling horses and required for showing. The "optional" ones are Strangles, Potomac, Lepto. Lepto is very new. Most barns do the first plus Strangles.

My mare that is at a boarding barn has the first 6, no Strangles (I don't want it and the BO agrees!). My horses at my parents in a closed herd get the first 5.

My new mare I have known for several years during which she has not had her teeth done and when they got her she was in horrible condition. She has incisor issues and I am very curious what the dentist will find at our upcoming appointment!! Assuming is not good! Her weight is good and she is a pig, no obvious problems until you open her mouth!
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post #46 of 56 Old 06-09-2016, 07:53 PM
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Well, I assume if you have a closed herd and are never going to take your horse off-property and around other horses, I can sort of understand it... but we've had cases of strangles in this part of the country and that is extremely contagious. They also vaccinate against influenza, which is contagious and wreaks havoc on a horse's respiratory system. According to my vet, the flu does hit those big ranches out west and can be quite devastating.

In our case, since we will be continuing to show Harley, it's important to keep both horses vaccinated so they are protected and cannot be carriers that might transmit disease to every horse in a show, their herds, etc. etc. Even being in a trailer that was used by a sick horse can be enough for them to contract an illness! No way I'm taking that chance.
Plus all the diseases transmitted by bugs.
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post #47 of 56 Old 06-09-2016, 07:54 PM
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Horse theft isn't really a big thing around here. In fact, I've never heard of horses being stolen. But I understand why people do it. I just like the look of a clean horse without the brand. A lip tattoo would serve the same purpose without altering the horse's appearance so much.

So will the skin all flake off? Will white hair grow on it? Should I put something on it?
Silvadene or some other burn ointment will help.
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post #48 of 56 Old 06-09-2016, 09:04 PM Thread Starter
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I don't remember which one you got this mare from, but I am not pleased that someone would buy/resell without doing vaccines!! Very... unscrupulous!

But they did brand..weird!

Yeah I wouldn't vaccinate for strangles as routine, especially if it was floating around!

Around here it's Rabies EEE/WEE/West Nile (mosquito diseases) and Tetanus. Flu/Rhino is recommended for traveling horses and required for showing. The "optional" ones are Strangles, Potomac, Lepto. Lepto is very new. Most barns do the first plus Strangles.
Standard vaccines here are Influenza, Rhino, Tetanus, EEE, Rabies and Strangles is often required for shows or even at lesson barns if you get trailered in. They also require a Coggins test even though there has never been a single recorded case in our province. I had her tested for it too, just in case.

The mare was bought in Manitoba in early May by someone who has a ranch out there and buys horses with the intent to resell them in the east. As most of you have heard me say before, we don't have a lot of really well broke horses in this part of the country, so he trailers a load of them every couple of months to his daughter, who lives about 2.5 hours from me and has her own small ranch. Then she re-sells them. They make quite a tidy profit doing this, but are very professional and actually, quite pleasant to deal with (and I met a few horse traders that were rather unsavory in the last few weeks). They seemed like nice people and their horses are in good condition. They really do have well-trained horses, which they sell for a pretty high dollar.

I also tracked down the previous owner in Manitoba who was very interested in how Kodak was doing, so seemed to genuinely care about her well-being (asked me for pictures of her in her new surroundings, how she was adapting, asked for updates, etc.). But he just told me he doesn't vaccinate. Period. No idea why.

My concern is that this horse has lived in a few ranches, has traveled almost the whole length of our country, and could have been exposed to anything. So while I can understand that some people choose not to vaccinate their horses, I felt she should have a full round of vaccinations, not just to protect her, but also to protect Harley and every other horse he will be in contact with during show season.

As for Strangles, I've heard the good, the bad, and the ugly, but given that there have been outbreaks not that far from here, I am going to trust my vet and give it to her, at least this time. I may or may not make it an annual thing.
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Also, she is still pretty head shy, but is improving with me. I fear she may always be a little bit anxious with new people.

The person who sold her to me (who had her on her ranch for all of a week) told me that if she pulls her head away when I touch her, I should correct her by jerking her head down. She said: "She doesn't have to like it, but she has to tolerate it". I tried that last night, and she just pulled back harder. It's not like I'm going to win at a tug-of-war with a horse!

My gut feeling says that approach is wrong for her. When I go really slowly, starting with letting her smell my hand, then scratching her neck, then cheek, then behind the ears and finally, between the eyes, she relaxes and lets me do it. I think she actually DOES enjoy it when I take my time and once I gain her trust, she will have no problem with me waving my hand all over her face. I was able to brush her whole face and forelock last night.

What do you all think? I feel like she was "broke" using forceful methods which are more common out west than here. I'm not trying to be judgmental, but she is clearly fearful and anxious and I don't see how being rough with her is going to make that better. I do still catch her and lead her around so she knows I'm her leader (she's an angel once the lead rope is clipped on and is actually coming towards me now, though not quite far enough for me to get the lead rope on her so that still requires 2-3 minutes of walking her down). But I feel like it's better to let her relax her head and give it to me than for me to just force her to submit out of fear. Am I wrong?
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post #50 of 56 Old 06-09-2016, 10:07 PM
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I think you are doing great both w/ her vaccines & the way you are handling her head! I too think it's strange she was traded w/out being vaccinated first, but maybe that is common where you live.
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