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post #11 of 19 Old 10-09-2015, 07:37 PM
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What you need to do before you talk to her is, write down every chore you have done in the last week-10 days. Track the hours you have spent doing them and figure out what she'd have had to pay a minimum wage barn hand. I don't know where you are, but be aware that some states have "Agriculture Labor" laws that are much lower than minimum wage pay. You need to figure out if you are doing more or less than $250/mo worth of extra labor. You also need to take the value of your 30 mins lessons into account. The average cost for a 1 hr private lesson around here is between $65 & $80/hr, so 1/2 hour would cost $35 or $40. Deduct that from what your laboring for. Also make a list of ALL of the lessons you've received, dates and length of the lessons, so that you can show you're being fair about crediting her with having given the lessons.

Then go find another place to house your horse in case things don't go well. Then go talk to your friend and see what she says. Keep everything businesslike and don't get all emotional or drag your friendship into it, that needs to stay out of the arrangement.

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post #12 of 19 Old 10-09-2015, 08:44 PM Thread Starter
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Yes,she has asked me to do these things...I have gotten texts coming down to the barn today I have something to do...hey,when you get to barn make sure you do this or that...It has gotten to the point where I think its expected of me...there have been few times I said No I am sorry I cant make it today and thats it...she dont text me or talk to me for the rest of the particular day I along with her and two other women were going for a trail ride and I mentioned hey yall forgot to put fly spray on your horses...the next thing out of her mouth was telling them not to get off the horse that I was the barn help and I could do it!
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post #13 of 19 Old 10-09-2015, 08:59 PM Thread Starter
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I did this so me and my 7 year old daughter could have the ability to get lessons long before I got my own horse...yes,she said is what my lessons consist of...saddling the horse...go in the arena for maybe 30 minutes and told how to sit up...ect ect...she specializes in dressage which I am no where near ready to learn that as I am a beginner is all aspects but I am trying...the one time that my daughter was offered a lesson went like this...hey,bring Izzy down saturday morning my grand daughter will be here along with another little girl and I will give them a lesson...we saddled up horse and Izzy being the youngest got to ride first...5 minutes maybe then the other little girl gets on and while Izzy and I are cleaning CCs stall they decide to take the saddle off of Tory and ride bareback and Izzy was out of the picture then...she is not ready for bareback!That was it!
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post #14 of 19 Old 10-09-2015, 09:06 PM Thread Starter
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I am not asking for free board by any means...what I am asking is be fair about it...I spend about 20 plus hours there a week taking care of the barn,fencing,feeding,cleaning and letting them out and in...I have been doing this for about 6 months and can honestly say I have had maybe 4 lessons and a couple trail rides ....I am grateful for the insight and the ability to have a nice place to go and for my horse to be in a great place...however..I feel things are getting out of control with the things I am expected to do verses what I originally agreed upon.
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post #15 of 19 Old 10-09-2015, 10:03 PM
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I would say you definitely ARE being taken advantage of. I was also in a bit of a bad situation and came here for advice - I soon found somewhere to volunteer that after I explained my previous situation were more than willing to take me on board. Additionally I know quite a few ppl that get discounts on board at the very LEAST. Good luck!
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post #16 of 19 Old 10-10-2015, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MommaofCCMinister View Post
Elle,yes it was a verbal agreement and yes what you just said makes perfect sense to me!!!
The arrangement at first before I got CC was I help out some around barn here and there and I only had one designated day(sunday)where it was my day to feed and bring in the horses...I have only received a few lessons if thats what you even want to call them and a couple trail that I have CC I have been there everyday because the barn is only 2 miles from my after I drop my daughter off at school I go down...muck stalls,fill water buckets,feed and bring in the horses...everyday!I have not been offered anything off of board!
So before you bought your horse you were working 1 day each week in exchange for 1 lesson per week?

At what point did you guys discuss you working every day of the week? Did the BO/friend ask you to work every day once she knew you'd be boarding your own horse there, or? I'm wondering why at that point did you not think to discuss some sort of exchange or compensation. Maybe I am misunderstanding something.
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post #17 of 19 Old 10-10-2015, 12:43 PM
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I agree with Dreamcatcher regarding a written record of the work you have been doing, listing the chores, the days done and the hours worked.

I think there have been assumptions on both sides here. If you approach this in a business-like but friendly manner, asking for the expectations to be in writing so both of you will be certain about the arrangement, it will be better for both of you. Every barter (or any) deal should be in writing.

I believe you are definitely being taken advantage of, but you have let that happen by doing this stuff and not questioning it in the past. Your time is definitely worth $$$.

P.S. You should have asked the BO up front if she would take $$$ off the board bill if you were working more before you started doing more. That is how it started, but it can be straightened out.
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post #18 of 19 Old 10-10-2015, 08:56 PM
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You have my sympathy. I was also in a situation like this with a friend. My "discounted board" in exchange for work ended up costing me double what boarding at a show barn would be with general labor, buying feed and hay etc.. ( for all horses not just mine) and still being made to feel like it was never enough. Not to mention, my horse and tack was used by every visitor who wanted to go for ride because he's pretty bomb proof. On top of that, I could never get any ride time. I had to have a very firm discussion about what our mutual expectations were and in the end, I moved to a different barn. I pay full board at a nice facility and if I want to muck my own stall, I can. But if not, they pay people to do that (it's part of the board costs). My personal thoughts is that a little extra cash (if you can swing it) my be worth less headaches and hurt feelings. It was for me. I wish you lots of luck!!
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post #19 of 19 Old 10-11-2015, 08:52 PM
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Some BOs are very shrewd about using "free" labor. Unfortunately most of us enjoy the work and don't mind putting in some extra time when necessary. The only time I was ever paid for extra time was just recently when the BO said. "I am paying you more this week because I know you put in extra time the other day." The best way is to keep things businesslike. X number of hours worked is worth X amount of dollars and an hour lesson is worth X amount of dollars. That is still in the BO's favor because the price of the lesson is calculated to make a profit. Even if the BO pays an instructor to give you a lesson that is the only thing that he pays toward the work you do.

I don't know the specifics of your original agreement or if anything was discussed when you started working more hours, but it is time to renegotiate your agreement
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