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post #31 of 63 Old 01-05-2016, 04:36 PM
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I have had several horses that pulled back in my lifetime. I have had 100% success using the rubber inner tube. It has enough give so the horse doesn't get injured, but they don't get loose either. Until the horse learns to stand tied (which they all eventually do), I take the inner tube along with me.
I have seen this used very successfully by others. I think the most heavy duty (new) inner tube you can get was recommended.
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I agree that this is something he has learned to do and will continue to do it as long as it suits him.

I agree that I would take him out in a strong halter, clip and rope amd tie him higher than his withers so he cannot get the pull required to break free. When he learns he cannot get away he will stop doing it.

Many years ago a well broken horse was tied to some rails. For some unknown reason he pulled back and pulled back hard taking the rail amd two posts concreted into the ground with him. The ensuing panic was something to behold but he never hurt himself other than a few scratches.
That horse would not tie after that, he would just do as yours does,mist back and pull until he broke away,

One day he was tied for the farrier. He suddenly threw himself backwards. I was across the aisle from him amd my reaction was to go th whack him with the prong I was using. Infortunately (or not) he came back as I lifted the prong and the tynes went into his butt, two either side of his tail.
I tell you he went forward as fast as he had come back amd stood there.

I treated the wounds but one did abscess. The vet was called and by chance the farrier was there. When the vet said it was a warble the farrier just agreed with him!

That horse never sat back again.

I would not suggest you do this but I would have him tied and be waiting behind him, put of sight if possible, with a dressage whip and the moment he sat back he would,get three or four hard cracks across his butt.
I never got any farther than this. Couldn't stop laughing!!
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I see some very good points in both arguments. Today I feel we made a little progress in one area but the other issues he has (bridling is a nightmare), keep weighing on my mind. But first and foremost dealing with the tying issue is most important.

So today I met the man who offered to help me. He had blocker rings and two long lead ropes. We decided to try the rope halter with two knots on the nose band instead of his regular nylon halter.

We put him in the blocker ring cross ties. Once he started realizing there was some give, he seemed to relax just a little. Even cocked a rear foot forward a few times. He did get antsy/bored at one point and was being impatient and started pawing but a firm "no" got him to quit. I was able to brush him just fine.

While he was standing there the farrier came out to work on another horse and I scheduled mine for next week. He's aware of his issue and hopefully he'll be good. I plan to work him pretty hard before he gets trimmed of course.

Anyway the man who was helping me said for me to continue to practice with the blocker ties which seems to be what several have said. We'll see how this works and if not, move on to the other option mentioned.

We also started working on giving to pressure. Which leads me to my next issue. He lowers his head when you put your hand over his poll but when you introduce the bridle and bit, he lowers his head so far down to evade. Or simply throwing it. He seems to freak out over the bit now. I am thinking it could potentially be a pain issue or he's just a really big brat, but just to rule it out I'm going to call my vet and have his teeth looked at and get them floated if need be.




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OK. After I recovered from Foxhunter's story, I read the rest. The thing folks seem to be missing from Cherie's "tie 'em to a tree" advise is the part about tying higher than the withers in a place where they can fight to the point of throwing themselves down without getting tangled or throwing themselves into anything.

Just thought I'd throw that point into the mix.
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I see some very good points in both arguments. Today I feel we made a little progress in one area but the other issues he has (bridling is a nightmare), keep weighing on my mind. But first and foremost dealing with the tying issue is most important.

So today I met the man who offered to help me. He had blocker rings and two long lead ropes. We decided to try the rope halter with two knots on the nose band instead of his regular nylon halter.

We put him in the blocker ring cross ties. Once he started realizing there was some give, he seemed to relax just a little. Even cocked a rear foot forward a few times. He did get antsy/bored at one point and was being impatient and started pawing but a firm "no" got him to quit. I was able to brush him just fine.

While he was standing there the farrier came out to work on another horse and I scheduled mine for next week. He's aware of his issue and hopefully he'll be good. I plan to work him pretty hard before he gets trimmed of course.

Anyway the man who was helping me said for me to continue to practice with the blocker ties which seems to be what several have said. We'll see how this works and if not, move on to the other option mentioned.

We also started working on giving to pressure. Which leads me to my next issue. He lowers his head when you put your hand over his poll but when you introduce the bridle and bit, he lowers his head so far down to evade. Or simply throwing it. He seems to freak out over the bit now. I am thinking it could potentially be a pain issue or he's just a really big brat, but just to rule it out I'm going to call my vet and have his teeth looked at and get them floated if need be.




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I've never used the rings with cross ties for initial training. It will be interesting to see how that will work.
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I've never used the rings with cross ties for initial training. It will be interesting to see how that will work.
I do hope it works. I'm trying to tell myself not to get discouraged, that we'll get through all of this. Two people already today called me crazy for getting an Arabian lol.

And yes, what Cherie said was along the same lines of what my instructor suggested we do, tied above the withers, etc.

Before I left the farm today, I went out in the back pasture where the majority of the boarded geldings were up grazing, and spent a bit of time with them there. When I left, I went to make my rounds, putting his halter and lead rope up in the tack room, and when I came out to go visit with two boarded mares that never get to see their humans (family health issues), I hear a stampede, all the geldings charged up from the back pasture, my guy pretty much out ran all of them haha. It was pretty neat to see. The reason why this is cool to me, is he wasn't really accepted into the herd before, and it seems these past few days he's been grazing with them and settling in nicely to his herd life.
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My instructor doesn't seem to think it is his teeth causing the issue, because he completely behaves once the bit is in his mouth. He isn't tossing his head, chomping, etc. or showing any signs of discomfort. Also monitoring how he eats, and he isn't dropping a lot of grain, etc. I am however still going to get his teeth floated, but I'd prefer to have an equine dentist that uses hand tools do him vs. our vet who uses power tools. One of the other boarders uses a woman who comes from out of state once a year who does a really, really good job. She is supposed to be coming back early April, if we can hold out til then I'd like to have her do him, otherwise I'll call around.

Today before our ride, we didn't lunge him (first time I rode him without lunging) and got him from the pasture and right into a single tie just with the rope slid through the ring, no knots. We had the rear barn doors shut in case he decided to bolt, but he didn't. He stood there, got antsy at some points, but he actually was okay. Cinched up, walked him around a little, placed the rope back through the ring, then finished cinching. Reason I did him in a single today is because me personally I much prefer a single tie vs. a cross tie. We were limited on time today, but I still kept him in the tie for as long as I was able to.

I was loaned a different bit to try today that was supposed to be a little lighter weight than my eggbutt snaffle, but I much prefer the way he rode in the egg but, so will probably be returning to my usual bit. He has been an absolute nightmare to bride, but today my instructor worked with him after our ride for a bit, and when she came out of the stall with him, I was wondering if something bad happened, and she said "he actually took it nicely that time." We're working on having him spit the bit out when removing the bridle, instead he close mouth tosses his head up, which we're working on breaking him of that. He's making slow, but sure progress.

I am thinking if this method works with the breaker ties in fixing the insta-panic when he steps back and feels restrained, maybe the tree tying will help him learn to stop being so impatient ALL the time, lol.
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Instead of having him spit the bit out, you open his mouth & lower the bit using the top of the headstall. Reverse that for bridling.
How did he ride not lunging first compared to lunging?
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Be careful with just leaving them to it. A friend of mine had to retire her horse due to pulling back-related injuries. Horse, a high-strung Welsh D, spooked at a plastic bag being blown by the wind while she was tied and sat back. Nothing in the system broke, but they managed to settle the horse. Afterwards, horse did not seem right, so friend and vet started investigation. The vet concluded the horse had damaged her SI joint. They treated it with physio, injections, the works, but the horse did not come right, and vet told my friend that the horse should not be used for schooling; she could still be hacked at the walk and some light trot in straight lines, but no more than that.
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