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post #1 of 22 Old 01-11-2015, 11:22 PM Thread Starter
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Hey All,

My name is Olivia and I will soon be the proud new own of a Pally Pony mare. She's 12.2hh and 12-13 years old. Currently has a foal at foot which I will be having with her for the first month before the previous owner comes to pick it up.

I'll be focussing on ground work and handling for the first few weeks while the foal is here so we can get used to each other and I can build a bit of a relationship.

This will be my first pony and I haven't ridden properly since I was about 8 years old. I'm 22 now and have been getting lessons for the past few months.

I would say I'm still quite nervous which is why I went for a very small pony. Something that is very easy for me to look after and manage while I regain my confidence again.

I would LOVE your advice and help please:

1. What gear will I need for her? Any recommendation on which brushes, what blankets she'll need (I live in Keith, SA), lead ropes, halters, bridles, saddle etc.
2. Saddle? What size saddle would I need for a 12hh pony and I am only tiny myself. 158cm tall and 50kg.
3. Feed? How much feed will she need per day/week and what kind of feed is best?
4. Is there anything I need to know about her having a foal at foot? It's about 7 weeks old. This won't be my responsibility in the long term but in the short term I want to make sure everything is safe and sound.
5. Anything else I need to know?

Pony and foal will be kept at my partners uncles farm around the corner and he is quite horsey. But more western.

I would love your help! And if anyone is in the local area - let's do coffee! I need friends. Recently moved here and it gets quite boring at times.

Olivia :)
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post #2 of 22 Old 01-11-2015, 11:48 PM
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"1. What gear will I need for her? Any recommendation on which brushes, what blankets she'll need (I live in Keith, SA), lead ropes, halters, bridles, saddle etc."

I'm not familiar with your environment so I'm not the right person to get blanket suggestions BUT most horses will do just fine without blankets unless temperatures drop quite low. Since this is your first horse, I'm assuming you don't have a big stockpile of tack already so your list of essentials is going to be pretty long. But stick with the basics, don't go crazy buying all the fanciest stuff or you're going to empty your pockets really quickly! How is pony going to be kept? Pasture? Paddock? Stall?

2. Saddle? What size saddle would I need for a 12hh pony and I am only tiny myself. 158cm tall and 50kg.

You wont know until you measure the pony. Since you're going to be focusing on ground work when you first bring her home I would wait and start looking at saddles once she's in your possession. Decide what discipline you want to do and then shop around until you find the right fit, there's absolutely no way to tell you without seeing the pony in person.

3. Feed? How much feed will she need per day/week and what kind of feed is best?

You'll get 100 answers to this question. In my opinion if she can live off of high-quality hay alone then that's your best option. Talk to her current owners and see what she's currently getting. How much depends on how much she weighs, weather conditions, work conditions, etc. You may even want to question your vet, since she's going to have a foal at her side she'll need more than she would otherwise. Your average / typical hay feeding is 1.5 - 2.5 % of your horses body weight.
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1and2. I don't know about you but I always like to keep thrush buster on hand because mine seems to get it all the time! Hoof pick, curry comb(i like the soft double sided ones), stiff and soft brushes, hair brush, I have iodine soap on hand in case he gets small scratches and whatnot, also why I have antibiotics, anti-fungal spray or wash is good to have. That covers most of the more common injuries or ailments. Halter wise I like my rope halter without the clip for groundwork but I also have a break away halter and rope(leather strap across the poll made to break if too much presser is put on it, and yes I know some people say it doesn't work but its more likely to than a full nylon halter and certainly more than a rope halter). As for riding tack talk to the previous owner and see if you can get any of her sizes. Talk to the person you've been riding with as well. They should be able to help with all the tack and what not but here's a basic list:
-bridle
-saddle
-girth/cinch
-saddle pad
-galloping boots(helps protect the legs when jumping/riding through brush?tec.

3.Ask previous owner what she's been getting and then eye ball her, is she fat or skinny and also watch for bloating as it could be a sign of worms. If she's maintaining a healthy weight and isn't working a lot then I'd just find out about any supplements as she has a foal. I don't know how the weather is in SA but if y'all still have grass then she'll be fine on that. If not you'll want to put out hay for her in the field where she's staying. If she's with other horses scatter the flakes so that there are a few more piles than horses. If she's along then I'd say 4-5 flakes twice a day would be sufficient. I'm no expert though if I'm wrong feel free to correct me =).

4.As for the foal, get instructions from the owner and if I were you I'd get an agreement in writing saying that the owner must take care of any of the foal's vet bills should any problems arise. Given you don't know the mare I'd see how protective she is of her foal because that could open up a can of worms you might not be equipped to deal with. Definitely get you trainer's help and owner's on the care of the foal. Since you are taking care of it for the mean time, you want to make it as people friendly as possible. Lots of loves and touchings and scratching :) but don't let it do anything rude, aka. biting, rearing, kicking. Nobody likes a brat.

5. Take advantage of any and all help you can get from your trainer and don't be afraid to ask questions.

Also, keep in mind that when you are taking your mare somewhere to do something like in the ring to practice your ground work the baby must go too. I don't know where you are keeping your pony but if you wouldn't feel comfortable free grazing your pony in the area separating her field from the ring I would be wary of letting the baby follow of its own accord. It might not be a problem now but the older they get the farther they wander and you must also keep in mind that you can't set a foal loose in the ring because anyone else using the ring would have to worry about it getting under foot. Plus it might serve as a distraction to you. You can still work with and ride the mare but be aware of how the foal with affect you mare's behavior.
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Hey All,

My name is Olivia and I will soon be the proud new own of a Pally Pony mare. She's 12.2hh and 12-13 years old. Currently has a foal at foot which I will be having with her for the first month before the previous owner comes to pick it up.

I'll be focussing on ground work and handling for the first few weeks while the foal is here so we can get used to each other and I can build a bit of a relationship.

This will be my first pony and I haven't ridden properly since I was about 8 years old. I'm 22 now and have been getting lessons for the past few months.

I would say I'm still quite nervous which is why I went for a very small pony. Something that is very easy for me to look after and manage while I regain my confidence again.

I would LOVE your advice and help please:

1. What gear will I need for her? Any recommendation on which brushes, what blankets she'll need (I live in Keith, SA), lead ropes, halters, bridles, saddle etc.
2. Saddle? What size saddle would I need for a 12hh pony and I am only tiny myself. 158cm tall and 50kg.
3. Feed? How much feed will she need per day/week and what kind of feed is best?
4. Is there anything I need to know about her having a foal at foot? It's about 7 weeks old. This won't be my responsibility in the long term but in the short term I want to make sure everything is safe and sound.
5. Anything else I need to know?

Pony and foal will be kept at my partners uncles farm around the corner and he is quite horsey. But more western.

I would love your help! And if anyone is in the local area - let's do coffee! I need friends. Recently moved here and it gets quite boring at times.

Olivia :)
If at home stuff for stall (buckets, muck tub, etc). Halter, lead. Brushes- a full kit. I don't know what SA means? Where are you? A first aid kit. I'd recommend some lunge equipment if you know how to use it and possibly boots/bell boots if needed. Bridle/bit, saddle. Have a vet and farrier lined up.

English or western saddle? Google how to measure yourself. Get a saddle fitter out. They will get saddles that may fit you, try them on the horse, have you ride in them and then if it works well make any necessary adjustments and finish the sale.

Feed- start with what she's getting now. I would ask the vet at the PPE (pre purchase exam) what she recommends for feed. We are just guessing without further info. Hay should be the go-to for starters.

If you're inexperienced I would probably just leave her alone until the foal is gone. If she is comfortable with the foal/you just do some basic groundwork. Honest if he's 7 weeks now and is being weaned in a month he won't even be 3 months yet, that is VERY young to wean and is not recommended unless there is a problem. Make sure your fencing is safe for a foal.

You have minimal, esp recently, riding experience and are admittedly nervous. Her height isn't the most important thing. How much hands on experience do you have? You are young and you have bought a mare with a foal at foot. This honestly doesn't sound that great to me. She may be good for you at some point but the current arrangement doesn't sound right.

Also being honest. Unless she's very stocky I still think you're going to be too big for her. Yes you're small but you aren't that small and 12.2 is pretty tiny. I'm a tad bigger than you and ride our 12.3 Icelandic who is VERY stocky and built for weight. I wouldn't typically ride a horse that size. That's definitely kid sized and for a purchase..:/.
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One thing I think is really important, especially taking the foal for a month, is ensuring that you have a detailed contract of sale. This will need a section on what happens if the foal is temporarily or permanently injured, or if it dies. I'm not sure why your taking the horse home at this time, is it not possible for them to keep it until they wean the foal? Surely that would be better. Another thing you want to be sure to put in the contract is when they pick up the foal, and if they don't pick it up then, what costs they are liable for, and if unpaid at what point does the foal become your property? For a lot of people feeding a unwanted mare with a foal at foot might seem like a waste of money, it was mentioned how young they are planning to wean, are you sure they're not looking to palm off their feed bill for a while?

Saddle should be brought once you have her, preferably with the help of a saddler. I always rug my horse in winter, he'd survive without it but I save a lot of money in feed by using it. Feed is going to vary depending on the mare and where she is kept.

Have you ridden the mare before?
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If at home stuff for stall (buckets, muck tub, etc). Halter, lead. Brushes- a full kit. I don't know what SA means? Where are you? A first aid kit. I'd recommend some lunge equipment if you know how to use it and possibly boots/bell boots if needed. Bridle/bit, saddle. Have a vet and farrier lined up.

English or western saddle? Google how to measure yourself. Get a saddle fitter out. They will get saddles that may fit you, try them on the horse, have you ride in them and then if it works well make any necessary adjustments and finish the sale.

Feed- start with what she's getting now. I would ask the vet at the PPE (pre purchase exam) what she recommends for feed. We are just guessing without further info. Hay should be the go-to for starters.

If you're inexperienced I would probably just leave her alone until the foal is gone. If she is comfortable with the foal/you just do some basic groundwork. Honest if he's 7 weeks now and is being weaned in a month he won't even be 3 months yet, that is VERY young to wean and is not recommended unless there is a problem. Make sure your fencing is safe for a foal.

You have minimal, esp recently, riding experience and are admittedly nervous. Her height isn't the most important thing. How much hands on experience do you have? You are young and you have bought a mare with a foal at foot. This honestly doesn't sound that great to me. She may be good for you at some point but the current arrangement doesn't sound right.

Also being honest. Unless she's very stocky I still think you're going to be too big for her. Yes you're small but you aren't that small and 12.2 is pretty tiny. I'm a tad bigger than you and ride our 12.3 Icelandic who is VERY stocky and built for weight. I wouldn't typically ride a horse that size. That's definitely kid sized and for a purchase..:/.
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If at home stuff for stall (buckets, muck tub, etc). Halter, lead. Brushes- a full kit. I don't know what SA means? Where are you? A first aid kit. I'd recommend some lunge equipment if you know how to use it and possibly boots/bell boots if needed. Bridle/bit, saddle. Have a vet and farrier lined up.

English or western saddle? Google how to measure yourself. Get a saddle fitter out. They will get saddles that may fit you, try them on the horse, have you ride in them and then if it works well make any necessary adjustments and finish the sale.

Feed- start with what she's getting now. I would ask the vet at the PPE (pre purchase exam) what she recommends for feed. We are just guessing without further info. Hay should be the go-to for starters.

If you're inexperienced I would probably just leave her alone until the foal is gone. If she is comfortable with the foal/you just do some basic groundwork. Honest if he's 7 weeks now and is being weaned in a month he won't even be 3 months yet, that is VERY young to wean and is not recommended unless there is a problem. Make sure your fencing is safe for a foal.

You have minimal, esp recently, riding experience and are admittedly nervous. Her height isn't the most important thing. How much hands on experience do you have? You are young and you have bought a mare with a foal at foot. This honestly doesn't sound that great to me. She may be good for you at some point but the current arrangement doesn't sound right.

Also being honest. Unless she's very stocky I still think you're going to be too big for her. Yes you're small but you aren't that small and 12.2 is pretty tiny. I'm a tad bigger than you and ride our 12.3 Icelandic who is VERY stocky and built for weight. I wouldn't typically ride a horse that size. That's definitely kid sized and for a purchase..:/.
Thanks for your advice & feedback. I had a chat with the current owner and she has briefed me on feed now and the foal is insured which makes me feel better.

She told me she is really keen to move her on now, with the foal. Which makes me think she is trying to lose the agistment and feed cost ASAP.

She is very stocky and I am tiny, trust me. I know it's a small pony and most would say I'm too big but I really don't want a horse much bigger than 13hh anyway.

I thought she might be a good place to start and then in 12 months when I am a lot more confident, perhaps I might be able to get something bigger then. She is being sold to me for $750, so she's not expensive by any stretch and I can afford to keep her long term.

My one concern is why is she cheap and wanting to move her on so quickly. I suppose her financial situation may not be great and she is trying to lose the costs?
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One thing I think is really important, especially taking the foal for a month, is ensuring that you have a detailed contract of sale. This will need a section on what happens if the foal is temporarily or permanently injured, or if it dies. I'm not sure why your taking the horse home at this time, is it not possible for them to keep it until they wean the foal? Surely that would be better. Another thing you want to be sure to put in the contract is when they pick up the foal, and if they don't pick it up then, what costs they are liable for, and if unpaid at what point does the foal become your property? For a lot of people feeding a unwanted mare with a foal at foot might seem like a waste of money, it was mentioned how young they are planning to wean, are you sure they're not looking to palm off their feed bill for a while?

Saddle should be brought once you have her, preferably with the help of a saddler. I always rug my horse in winter, he'd survive without it but I save a lot of money in feed by using it. Feed is going to vary depending on the mare and where she is kept.

Have you ridden the mare before?

That's true. She is drawing up a contract, so I'll make sure that is included. She has told me the foal is insured so if anything were to happen to her it would be covered. Fingers crossed that is not the case though!

I do think you're right re palming off the feed bill as we went from being in no hurry to have her. In other words, I could have her after the foal was weaned in 4-6 weeks and now she is asking me for a deposit and to go 50/50 in her agistment while she is up there.

In saying that, she has offered to put her into work for me for a few weeks after the foal is gone. So she's not being completely unreasonable but she has told me she is keen to move her on. And, to be honest, I'm bored out of my brains in a country town with 1000 people and working part-time from home. I'd be happy to have something to look after!

I haven't ridden her no. She is two hours away and still has a foal so can't really ride her until foal is weaned. She has been ridden by the previous owner but not in work for 2 years. Very quite and no dirt I'm told.
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Is she hasn't been ridden in 2 years that may change.

If you're just looking for a casual riding horse and she is stocky I do not think you're too heavy. I'd be curious to see a pic as people have different ideas of stocky... Here I am on my slightly taller (12.3hh) but VERY stocky Icelandic.



Obviously no issue. You're small but I'm not that much bigger, "small" is relative and "stocky" is relative, but you do sound like you may be OK but something to keep in mind.

Do keep her in shape.
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Hi & welcome Olivia,

Sounds like you've got lots of homework to do to get ready for your pony! Enjoy the journey!

Depends on pony's build, etc, and if you want her to get your confidence up, you're not going to be doing much more than walking & trotting for the moment anyway, but even at your size, do keep in mind you could be a bit big for her, so just go easy.

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1. What gear will I need for her? Any recommendation on which brushes, what blankets she'll need (I live in Keith, SA), lead ropes, halters, bridles, saddle etc.
2. Saddle? What size saddle would I need for a 12hh pony
A normal medium hard brush will probably do. Depends, but most horses don't need blankets, so long as they have some sort of shelter, esp from wind, and they grow a winter coat. If she's not used to a blanket, and while the foal is at foot, best avoided for now at least I reckon, but if one's deemed necessary, the lightest one you can get away with, used on the coldest days should be fine. I personally like rope halters, some don't. Don't leave halters on horses when loose. Long, yacht braid ropes are best IMO. at least 10-12'. A snaffle bridle is probably fine, assuming she's been trained. If not, a halter/bitless bridle is my choice to start a horse in. Assuming she is already well trained under saddle tho, if you've bought her because you're nervous?

You need to find a saddle that fits her first & foremost. There's no one-size-fits-all-12.2hh & they're all different shapes. You will find some good saddle fitting info on youtube & google. SpinalVet : Spinal Conditions and Treatment for Horses and Dogs is one place with some good basic saddle fitting stuff. Balance International also has some good info on their site on saddle fitting & problems. Once you know which saddles suit your horse, then you can consider seat size for yourself. *Which may cut down options, as for eg. a Western saddle that fits you may be too long for the pony - an English tree is shorter in relation to seat size.

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3. Feed? How much feed will she need per day/week and what kind of feed is best?
Horses need around 2% bodyweight daily in forage(hay or grass). They need free access, or little & often feeds, not good to go hungry or be fed rich/large meals. If they require more energy, due to weight loss, hard exercise, etc,(or lactation) it's best to keep to low starch ingredients as supplementary feed, such as beet pulp, alfalfa, rice hulls, etc. In addition to that, well balanced nutrition needs to be considered, but it depends what she's getting in her diet as to what she may need. FeedXL.com is one great resource for working that out. Growing babies & lactating also pulls a lot of nutrients from a mare, and I'd hope she's being fed appropriately now. If so, I'd continue with that for a while after baby is weaned.
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Hi Everyone,

Thank you so much for your advice. Just thought I would give you an update as she arrived today, foal at foot. Very cute foal too! She's actually 3 months already.. not 1.5 months as first thought, which is great news!

I've put her in the paddock so she can graze on a small amount of feed that's there. I'll be feeding her 2 cups of Weight Lifter cool pellets, 1-2 biscuits of hay and some chaff everyday. Apparently she doesn't have the gene for smut so she can have lucerne however I think I'll stick to oaten hay for now.

Saddle has been ordered, I went with a 15" saddle for a relatively cheap price as it's my first one. It has a medium girth so I think it will fit perfectly - see how we go! Ordered some brushes online too.

Question re grooming: I'd love to give her a good wash and a brush. What's the best way to do this? Just tie her up and use the hose gently with some horse shampoo? I was thinking I would give her a good brush first then wash and brush again.

What does everyone use as shampoo for Pally's or ponies/horses in general? I dont want to use the wrong thing.

I think that's it for now! Previous owner has offered to have her back for 2-3 weeks when she takes the foal to put her into work for me. I may take her up on that! What do you guys think?

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