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post #41 of 54 Old 06-21-2016, 05:19 PM
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I just called them, asked about Bravo, a contract is required to obtain him.. And they told me "Bravo is a high end bread horse but no we do not own his breeding papers." Red flag..

I'm starting to hate these places. I really hope I find one that's on the up and up eventually. This place probably calls this horse Bravo because after they get some sucker to adopt him, and they file the court work to get him back so they can sell him again and again to the other suckers that get drawn in the same way, the owner claps his hands when he comes home each time going "Bravo, bravo!"
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post #42 of 54 Old 06-21-2016, 05:25 PM
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I just called them, asked about Bravo, a contract is required to obtain him.. And they told me "Bravo is a high end bread horse but no we do not own his breeding papers." Red flag..
The only way they would know he was high end was if they had seen his papers at some time. So it seems rescues do want to devalue the horses! Why would they do that to a gelding? It just seems wrong.
Also wrong to list him as a sale horse when he really isn't.
I see the red flag too.
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post #43 of 54 Old 06-21-2016, 05:31 PM
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Anyone else can call them, the OP posted the information on the first page. You're welcome to try to get information out of these people that I perhaps over looked. Again, I'm still new here but this horse Bravo has me running for a different center stage..
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post #44 of 54 Old 06-21-2016, 06:06 PM
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I am still here, I have been taking some lessons but I am still learning. What do you guys think about me purchasing Bravo and having lessons on my property? Also, I live in Southern, CA and I do not think we have horse auctions around here...
There are many low end auctions in So Cal. The one Kyleen found and many more.

They are the MAIN suppliers of horses to the rescues.
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post #45 of 54 Old 06-21-2016, 06:09 PM
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I don't want to "own a rescue" I am not deliberately searching for a horse to rescue. I am simply looking for a beginner friendly horse and this discussion has turned into a discussion about adopting; When it was meant for me to see if you think I am ready to own my own horse. I wanted to see what you guys thought about Bravo and if you thought he would be a good fit for me..
I told you I do not think he would be a good fit and I gave you MANY reasons why. You're not listening to what's being said. Again I will ask you, Why would you give someone $2800 and never own the horse? Never mind Bravo or his status at a rescue, just think about that question and tell me why or IF you would do that and tell me why it would be acceptable to spend that kind of money on something that will never belong to you?

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post #46 of 54 Old 06-21-2016, 08:46 PM
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Thank you all for the education in "horse rescues." I had no idea that was going on.
What in particular would they be "rescuing" a supposedly well bred and well trained horse from? That is a horse anyone could legitimately sell. Perhaps they look for these horses at a bargain price and then sell them for more. The horse was rescued from being sold too cheaply?

OP, I agree you should avoid this type of situation at all costs. You can easily find a good horse for less money, but you will need to find an experienced horse person who can mentor you through the buying process and help you find a horse that will be adequate for your level. Ideally you can board the horse for awhile and have someone give you lessons with your horse for several months until you've learned enough to try riding on your own.

No good horse person would want to "co-own" a horse they've sold (unless it is a top show or competition horse). They would want to find the best home possible, and at most have the first option to buy the horse back if the new owner had to sell the horse. Some people are so opinionated about horse care, they might insist you feed the horse certain things, always or never use hay nets or only use "natural" fly spray. They might not want you to ride a horse with a bit. That could become a nightmare.

There are a few absolute wrongs about caring for horses, but many possible ways to keep horses correctly and compassionately. Until you know a horse very well, you won't know what is the best way to keep that horse in your particular situation. The true owner who spends all the time with the horse is the only one who can decide whether the horse needs something or not. Unless you ride my horse three times a week, you can't tell me what kind of bit she needs. Unless you've tried to keep weight on my horse for 5 years, you can't tell me I shouldn't feed her oats. The person most closely involved with a horse needs to be the one making the important and pertinent decisions.
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post #47 of 54 Old 06-21-2016, 11:33 PM Thread Starter
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I just want to thank all of you especially those of you who took it a step further and actually called the rescue! I am so thankful to all of you and I will definitely NOT be getting Bravo. I am very sad that he is in that place and will probably never have a forever home with a loving family. I am going to continue my lessons, invest in a nice pen and a round corral and KEEP SAVING MY MONEY. I think all of you have really informed a lot of newbies on what to look for when purchasing a horse. Thank you for shedding light on the shadiness of some rescues.
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post #48 of 54 Old 06-21-2016, 11:58 PM
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That's just it though. Bravo is home. He is with his owner. And he's obviously getting great care because he caught your attention. He's getting rode all the time by nice people who love horses. Groomed all he needs, petted. Strangers bringing him treats! And the owner wants it to be that way. He wants people to come in, ride Bravo, get attached to him, then be dumb enough to try and take the horse home. The owner then gets an easy $3,000. His horse is taken care of by someone else for a short while, but comes home time and time again, "Bravo! Thanks, Bravo! You done good boy. You sure did lay on the charm for that stupid pigeon. Now, lets find you your next sucker and my next $3,000!"

Yeah, don't fall for that..

Don't need a pen or any kind of corral as much as you need more knowledge. More books. More videos. More DVDs. More riding lessons. More talking to trainers. More talking to owners. More talking to breeders. More going to horse shows. More going to horse auctions not to buy but to see what's available and learn.. More learning about tack. More learning about insurance. More learning about costs.. More learning about vet bills.. More learning about trainers and their expenses.. Learning to spot a good trainer from a bad one. Learning how to spot pain in a horse. More learning how to prevent a horse from having pain. Learn about saddles, quality, and how they can really mess up your horse if used improperly and how you can get hurt if you use the wrong one.. Its endless! For now, riding lessons and learning! Maybe a lease at the barn where you're taking lessons if you want more saddle time..

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post #49 of 54 Old 06-22-2016, 12:35 AM
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Thank you all for the education in "horse rescues." I had no idea that was going on.
What in particular would they be "rescuing" a supposedly well bred and well trained horse from? That is a horse anyone could legitimately sell. Perhaps they look for these horses at a bargain price and then sell them for more. The horse was rescued from being sold too cheaply?
*snicker* I should have been tipped off by previous horse rescuing BO when she admitted she used to be a horse dealer. I think sometimes we want so desperately to believe in the good in people, and for such a good cause too.

Good on you, OP! You will be much better off simply garnering experience and taking lessons, and letting your perfect horse just fall into your lap eventually. I've done the stupid thing: jumped in headfirst and bought a horse completely unsuitable for me. Thankfully, we both survived, however most people end up heartbroken and selling the horse, and if they're lucky they won't be afraid or offput by horses for the next twenty years until the bug bites again. And don't get me wrong, it was a LONG and ARDUOUS process that took several years before I finally started enjoying my horse. I think most people want to be enjoying their horse after a few months, not a few years.

I should make T-shirts: "I survived green+green=black and blue" "I did the stupid thing-and survived". Man, I really want a T-shirt like that now...

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post #50 of 54 Old 06-22-2016, 01:27 AM Thread Starter
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I just called them, asked about Bravo, a contract is required to obtain him.. And they told me "Bravo is a high end bread horse but no we do not own his breeding papers." Red flag..

I'm starting to hate these places. I really hope I find one that's on the up and up eventually. This place probably calls this horse Bravo because after they get some sucker to adopt him, and they file the court work to get him back so they can sell him again and again to the other suckers that get drawn in the same way, the owner claps his hands when he comes home each time going "Bravo, bravo!"
You are so awesome for calling them! Thank you I wouldn't even know what to say to them! so thank you!
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