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post #11 of 19 Old 04-08-2016, 02:29 PM
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NOTE IN ADVANCE: I am very sorry if this post sounds harsh. I'm not trying to be mean, just realistic, based on the wisdom I have from going through these same experiences.

Dreamcatcher Arabians is 100% correct. This horse is taking advantage of the situation, and you. It's absolutely normal for any horse to feel out of place in new surroundings, but that horse should also be actively looking to its rider/handler for leadership and support to abate the anxiety - or you need to force it to. You are not offering either one of those, as your inexperience does not allow you to provide them. Your horse is anxious and nervous in her new surroundings, and has no one who can comfort her by providing her the leadership she needs to get over her anxiety. It's not the move that did this, but rather was the tinder that fueled an already existing fire.

Please do not take this comment personally, and I want to note that I've been in your shoes once and all I ended up doing was turning a once-sweet mare into a nightmare that took several months of fixing to correct. Horses need a leader - this is a requirement of being a horse owner. If you can't do that, you have an obligation to seek out a trainer for the betterment of the horse and your own safety and enjoyment of the sport. If your horse is consistently acting up, how can you enjoy being around her?

We live in an age of self-training when it comes to horses, but nothing compares to the experience and guidance of a well respected trainer. Books and videos can truly only do so much, especially for the novice handler - I actually think these resources are mainly beneficial to intermediate-experienced handlers/riders who are looking for precision and refinement. If you can't afford a trainer, you need to reconsider your financial obligations when it comes to owning horses. You also need to be willing to relocate your horse where necessary and put yourself in a lesson program. I can't stress the importance of lessons.

What worked for me: I stopped riding my mare entirely and placed her under the care of a trainer. I never rode or handled the horse at all unless under her supervision. This way, if my horse did something naughty the trainer could tell me how to correct it. ***This is very important when it comes to handling horses!! Knowing exactly how and when to correct a horse is everything. Horses only have a 3 second window in which their bran can relate the correction to the action, so keep that in mind.***

Regarding the arthritis: I too have an arthritic horse. The only thing that has ever helped has been bi-annual injections straight into the arthritic site. I want to note she is being ridden 3-4 days a week in full time work. My mare is often stiff for the first 5 minutes of riding before she works out of it; longer in the winter.

I do agree with you, that as long as your horse is very stiff, no lunging should be done. Small tight circles at the trot or canter are not good for arthritis, but I think you should be okay at a walk. You could get a long lunge line, and make your circle large and work her that way, but it's a bit difficult to do if you're not an experienced lunger.

Good luck.
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post #12 of 19 Old 04-08-2016, 07:18 PM
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Was she sound when you leased her?
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post #13 of 19 Old 04-08-2016, 07:35 PM
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You shouldn't add Bute to Previcox - if the dose isn't enough then talk to your vet about increasing it a little at a time, its a much safer drug than bute even on a higher dose
You can approach the problem as if its your horse that's 'to blame' for her change in attitude but if there's something going on at that barn that you don't know about that's causing her problems that's hardly fair to her.
The girl I bought one of my horses from left her at a barn she thought she knew really well and trusted when she went abroad for a while and the horse she got back was like a totally different animal - and she'd had her for a long time prior to that.
Maybe you need to think about looking for someplace else to keep her if she's so unsettled where she is - it would give you a better chance of working her through it and 'getting your old horse back' if she was relaxed and happy in her surroundings again?
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I agree with what many here have said, esp not mixing bute and previcox. Both are anti inflammatories, with previcox being somewhat safer, far as GI effects, being a Cox 2 inhibitor
Previcox is also being used off label to treat horses, being for dogs, while the same chemical drug formulated for horses is Equioxx
Previcox vs. Equioxx: What's the Big Deal? - IrongateIrongate
Anti inflammatories also are just pain relievers, and do nothing far as joint health, and there are better products available, that address the actual joint issue, from joint injections to something like Legend
Here is some things you might consider, if your goal is just not pain management, but actual joint treatment, which perhaps can delay, even improve joint chnages like osteo arthritis
Choose Your Joint Care Weapon Wisely | The Chronicle of the Horse
If you are going to double up on treatment, amke one a pain reliever, and the other a joint support medication
However, arthritic pain is no excuse for general disrespect, like your mare is showing.
Sure, changing barns, having new equine companions adds a certain amount of stress, however, still do not excuse general lack of respect
Horses also become untrained, well as trained. They test new people, and first just take slight liberties, then if not corrected, escalate
NOw, not sure how I want to put this, without sounding harsh, so I will just dive right in.
I think it is great, doing everything possible for an old faithful equine companion, making their last years have quality-horses that served you well for years
At the same time, you bought this horse, hoping, I believe, to do more then pay board, treat lameness issues, ect.
I would find a retirement home for this horse, and then pay board, invest time , on a horse you can truly enjoy
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post #15 of 19 Old 04-08-2016, 09:28 PM
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Did her feed change? Some horses can get really hyped up on different feeds/hay. I know if I give mine alfalfa he acts like he's on crack.
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If a horse's behavior changes right after a move I'd always suspect ulcers. Some horses have a complete change in behavior with ulcers and some horses will become aggressive. Especially a horse that is already getting Bute adds to the risk for ulcers. Some horses have difficulty focusing or thinking when they are having pain, and this translates to handling issues. It's fine to say this is not acceptable, but if a horse can't focus they can't learn, and the behavior will continue.

Arthritis pain tends to not cause a sudden, dramatic behavior change. For one thing, it comes on gradually and a horse adapts to it over time. From what humans say about arthritis pain versus ulcer pain, one is more achy and wears you out, while the other can be sharp, visceral and sometimes burning. When my mare had ulcers, she was aggressive both to humans and other horses, snapping her teeth, ignoring cues and running into handlers. When leading her she was wide-eyed, sweating, and couldn't relax. That is not her usual behavior, and she went back to being a kind, directable horse after her ulcers were treated.
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post #17 of 19 Old 04-09-2016, 05:06 PM
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Good point- she has had 2 moves close together and seemed ok after the first but could definitely be a trigger. I would still be working on training, the OP sounds like a novice and the mare is taking advantage, but a look into ulcers (and general vet check, by a different vet) would be good too.
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This is a 20 year old mare that was kind, calm and easy to manage in her previous home despite a change of owner, novice owner and only being there for 5 months. The recent behavior came on fast as soon as she was moved
Like Bondre I've seen horses with ulcers go from being nice and easy to nasty and difficult when they have them - some just don't have such a good coping mechanism as others - much like humans
I'd be looking at things like changes to diet, a magnesium supplement, an ulcer medication and what changes have been made to how she's being managed - turnout facilities, stabling etc before I did anything else
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I am not sure what type of horse she is but one thing that helped me with my move is just taking joy rides around the property and getting the horses away from the barn itself and just get used to the new environment. If that doesnt work then I would just walk her around and not ride. Hope this helps
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