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post #11 of 34 Old 12-18-2015, 05:46 PM
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After reading everyone's posts, the only thing I can think of to add is this: Can the jumps be set either on the rail so you have a clear area inside to have a lesson or can they be set up so there is a wide, clear path on the rail all the way around for you where no jumper will need to go on the rail? (I hope you understand what I am getting at).

We have one outside ring set up with the jumps around on the rail, none in the center, so a non jumper can basically have their trainer stand in the center of the ring for a rider to circle around. It works at my barn. The ring is too narrow to pull the jumps off the rail to leave a riding path, but I imagine in a wider ring it would be possible. I don't know where the instructor would stand in that case , though, maybe on the rail?
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If you're paying for your lesson with trainer and feel way out of comfort zone then things should change.. fine pushing you to get over this issue gradually.. maybe occasional riding with others around but this is deflecting from your enjoyment and improvement, it's causing you stress.. why pay for a lesson where you can't learn because you're stressed out? You can get over it in time but the more confident a rider you are the less it will bother you long term!
I wish I was spoiled for choice but unfortunately, I have 3 options:

- continue with my current instructor, who I'm happy with apart from this issue
- go to another riding school which can dedicate their "facilities" just to me. I tried almost all of them and I'm not happy with a single one. Badly trained horses and a muddy circle for "facilities"...
- give up riding

I think I'll carry on with my instructor and try to work around the issue, even if it means paying to sit on a stationary horse once or twice a month. Note to forum administrators: you didn't think we needed a smiley of a rider just sitting on a stationary horse, did ya?
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Is there any chance of changing times to when menage/arena is least used?
Is it big enough to give you one end 20m cirlcle?
Is it worth asking the jumping people to be aware of the fact you are having a lesson and are nervous, scared to get in the way? (this would probably help loads).. hopefully they'll respect that you need space and plenty of warning.
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After reading everyone's posts, the only thing I can think of to add is this: Can the jumps be set either on the rail so you have a clear area inside to have a lesson or can they be set up so there is a wide, clear path on the rail all the way around for you where no jumper will need to go on the rail? (I hope you understand what I am getting at).

We have one outside ring set up with the jumps around on the rail, none in the center, so a non jumper can basically have their trainer stand in the center of the ring for a rider to circle around. It works at my barn. The ring is too narrow to pull the jumps off the rail to leave a riding path, but I imagine in a wider ring it would be possible. I don't know where the instructor would stand in that case , though, maybe on the rail?
They are usually set up in the middle and you would think that jumpers would stick to the middle but they don't, either because they lack control or manners. Not all of them, but there are so many different people and horses that I never know what I'm going to get.

One of the girls jumping today couldn't control her horse upon landing and they kept zooming past me, cutting me off and bucking all over the place. Since I got nervous, my horse got nervous and kept trying to gallop off in the midst of that circus. So there I am, trying to keep track of three (huge) jumping horses and trying to control the little monkey...
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Is there any chance of changing times to when menage/arena is least used?
Is it big enough to give you one end 20m cirlcle?
Is it worth asking the jumping people to be aware of the fact you are having a lesson and are nervous, scared to get in the way? (this would probably help loads).. hopefully they'll respect that you need space and plenty of warning.
I scheduled my lessons when there is least traffic, so now I only have this issue once or twice a month. It used to be almost every lesson. I was a total wreck and nearly gave it up altogether.

You know how people are, the ones who are mindful, you don't even have to ask... Main issue here is the amount of people who ride there, and the fact that there is at least 10 barns so we don't have one point of contact. I'd rather pay for a "stationary" lesson once in a while than try to reason with that many people :)

Thank you for your help
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They are usually set up in the middle and you would think that jumpers would stick to the middle but they don't, either because they lack control or manners. Not all of them, but there are so many different people and horses that I never know what I'm going to get.

One of the girls jumping today couldn't control her horse upon landing and they kept zooming past me, cutting me off and bucking all over the place. Since I got nervous, my horse got nervous and kept trying to gallop off in the midst of that circus. So there I am, trying to keep track of three (huge) jumping horses and trying to control the little monkey...
Well, they are just rude! I think you are right to take fewer lessons to be able to ride jumper free. How does anyone else manage this?
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Well, they are just rude! I think you are right to take fewer lessons to be able to ride jumper free. How does anyone else manage this?
I have no idea, I suppose it's survival of the fittest and the meek ones just give up.

A lot of snide remarks and snapping between jumpers - they get in they way of each other as well. Lots of people are very nice and understanding but I never know who I'm going to get.

It's quite interesting, out of the three top jumpers in the country, two are really nice and one is a total b...., to other riders as well as his entourage.
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One of the girls jumping today couldn't control her horse upon landing and they kept zooming past me, cutting me off and bucking all over the place.
Geez, that does sound like a circus.

This is the very reason I avoid crowded warm-up arenas; people often have no respect for everyone else around them.

I would think this is a HUGE safety issue. Is the BO just waiting for a horse and rider to have a collision with another??

While I do agree the panic issue is something you should learn to control, as that can help other areas of your life, but if the environment is not safe (and does not sound like it is), then I would pass if I were you too.

If your instructor asks, I'd tell her it's not safe to ride in an arena where so many things are going on and there is no organization. (because it is true)
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The situation at your stable is a mess, let's be honest, but if this isn't changing, then you will have to try and work around it somehow...In the meantime, don't be bullied by your instructor, your peers, or anyone else. Just like our 4-legged partners, we are also animals, and our "gut feelings" and instincts also exist from millenia of evolution, and hence for a reason.
Quite, and my "gut feeling" keeps telling me that I'm out of my depth in that environment.

The "Confidence" mantra is starting to get on my nerves lately. That's all well and good but if I simply don't have the skills, confidence could kill me. They wouldn't let a teenage boy with all the cockiness and confidence in the world fly a Boing, would they?

Thank for the great write up.
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I would think this is a HUGE safety issue. Is the BO just waiting for a horse and rider to have a collision with another??
That's a whole other story, we don't have any regulation for horse riding. And safety in general isn't a big priority in my rather poor country... And the BO is a local politician who is quite untouchable... Cue me trying to find a working solution - "stationary" lessons, here I come
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