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post #1 of 17 Old 12-04-2014, 03:48 PM Thread Starter
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Please tell me what Im doing wrong? Lunging?

Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong with my horse I can get him to stand in one spot and walk off from him and he wont move till I tell him to walk on, I can get him to back up by just telling him back up but for some reason when I try and get him to walk away from me to lung him he walks in toward me and I desensitized him with what I'm using to getting him to lung so now he don't want to move at all when I move it did I do the right thing? I've seen where people have said online that's because he can sense your timidness but I am very stern with him. can someone please tell me what are some things I could do different?
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your body language might not be clear. you may be standing too much in front of him, blocking his forward . or, like you said, you just overly desensitized him. try using a plastic bag tied firmly to a training stick or dressage whip. use it just enough to get him to move, when he moves, lower it so it's sitting on the ground, or put it more or less low and behind you, while you turn and keep facing him.
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When I was learning about desensitizing a horse to a whip/rope I was confused. Wouldn't they end up not caring when you try and cue them with a whip I mean that's what the goal of desensitizing is right? To have the horse not react.

The difference between desensitizing a horse to a lunge whip and lunging them with it is your body language.
When you're lunging your body language should be more stiff (board shoulders, chin up). You need to look like you mean business. And when you are desensitizing you should be relaxed.
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Have you tried pulling up your shoulders a little and glaring at him like to plan to kill him? Mine move away when I approach them like that. When you ask him to walk on the lunge, to the left, hold your left arm out, slightly above your shoulder to indicate direction. Raise the lunge whip toward his rib cage or hip and giggle it, making a kissing sound at the same time. Also turn your head in the direction you want him to go. If he won't move, tap his neck just behind his jaw with the lung whip. Repetitive taps get annoying, like a little brother tapping your arm for attention, and the horse will move away from it. Stop the moment he starts to move away, even if it's barely a step or even just turns his head away. You are teaching the horse to move away from the tapping. Resume tapping until he moves again. He's starting to get the idea. Work on this until he takes a few steps. Turn your back to him for a half minute to let him relax. Then start again. Your body language as I've described will help tell him where you want him to go. Also put your left foot back a little of your right which will turn your body a little as well.



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When I was learning about desensitizing a horse to a whip/rope I was confused. Wouldn't they end up not caring when you try and cue them with a whip I mean that's what the goal of desensitizing is right? To have the horse not react.

The difference between desensitizing a horse to a lunge whip and lunging them with it is your body language.
When you're lunging your body language should be more stiff (board shoulders, chin up). You need to look like you mean business. And when you are desensitizing you should be relaxed.

that's right. and it's because of the intent in our body language. if you approach a horse with a saddle blanket/pad with the ho-hum I am going to saddle you approach, nothing happens, even if you sort of lazily and randomly move it around.
but if you take the same item in your hand, and whip it up and down AT the horse, with the intention of making him move, he will react to the intent in your movements.

think about how much intent you are broadcasting when you lunge the horse.
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I stand to the side of him and I hold my left arm out in that way he knows to go in that direction I've also used a bag on the end of a stick but once he was desensitized to it now he wont move I've also done the tapping but guess I didn't do it repeatedly enough and maybe I'm not using my body language right but I will definitely give that a try
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Stop desensitizing. When I start lunging I give a horse a quick rub with a whip and say "look it's a whip" then get to work.

Sounds like he is overly desensitized.

Yes, have intent. I always tell the kids "get angry!!". Of course emotion has no place in training but it usually get the point of intent across well with the younger folk (or any folk?)

Get angry, get in his space. Say "Move away from me, NOW!". He had his chance up the ante. If he still doesn't respond the lunge whip is there for a reason. No more mister nice guy, use it. I'd tap once, and then smack hard and MAKE him move. Chances are once he realizes you'll use it next time you'll tap and off he will go. I've even "chased" horses a few steps to get that movement.

The second he starts moving everything goes down (I'd say off but I have a feeling your horse is lazy and will stop lol). Nice and quiet, I like to gentle swing the whip close to the ground to say (this is nice but keep on going), lots of vocal praise when he first moves, then on with work.

This is all assuming he knows how to lunge and is quiet and responsive on the ground and won't kick/charge or anything.
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when I first got him I had him lunging but I didn't desensitize him or anything then I started reading and that's when he started walking in I wanted to do the right thing by him and me I'm no trainer nor can afford one so just learning as I go and think I'm doing good so far just not with that part I can have him trotting beside me and as soon as I say whoa he stops on command I can make him turn on a dime he's a really good horse I just have to figure this one thing out
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I'll come back and comment later OP. I'd like to help you out, but I need to come back when I don't have any distractions so I can put your post in word and answer you from there.
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If he's lunging just fine he doesn't need to be desensitized. I think people get very focused on that and imo overly so.

Think about the word "de sensitized".

I feel all you did by desensitizing him is teach him not to move, you want them to have a "healthy respect" for the lunge whip, no you don't want to be fear. You also need to mean it with your body language. Think of the whip as an extension of your arm, use to convey your meaning and to "reach him" if you need to.

I'm sure your "conversation" right now is along the lines of "please" "no" "please" "no", etc. What is should be is "please" "no", "next time I won't ask so nicely" "hmm" "ok, fine, GO" and make him go. You aren't getting beyond asking very nicely with very quiet cues right now and he's learned it's ok to ignore that.

He does sound like a nice horse, but don't be afraid to push him a little, he won't break.
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