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post #11 of 17 Old 12-04-2014, 07:35 PM
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To me desensitizing a horse has a lot to do with teaching them your body language. When you are desensitizing them your energy should be very low, non confrontational, relaxed. He is learning that whatever you do when you are like that is safe. Then you should pick up your body language and he should understand that the change signals activity and movement.

When desensitizing him make sure your body language is being very unengaged. Then start getting him used to the change. Does he yield when you put energy towards his hind/step towards his hind? I would probably start with that. Getting him to yield his hindquarters when you engage your energy and tell him to move. Once he understands the difference he should understand whether you're holding a lunge whip or not.

Another thing, each time you end a session without achieving what you want then you've trained your horse to act that way. So if you have asked your horse to lunge half a dozen times and he hasn't then he probably thinks that is what you want. Apply pressure until you get a response in the right direction. He might not be lunging like a star but if you apply pressure that pressure shouldn't stop until he moves from it.
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post #12 of 17 Old 12-04-2014, 10:09 PM
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the whole focus on moving the hind over can get folks into this problem lunging where the horse only faces them. they then try to get around his side, so they can drive him forward, and the hrose keeps facing them and around they go, and it ends up the horse is practically lunging the human.

not only do you want to be able to move the hind over, you also want to move the shoulders over. this is step one to getting a hrose to step from facing YOU to step OUT onto the circle. he steps his shoulders away from facing you, and then you are able to access his driveline, where you can ask for forward motion with the whip.

I think you should do a search on this forum and start reading threads on lunging problems, because what you are experiencing is so NOT unique to you. learn from others, that's what this forum can do for you.
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post #13 of 17 Old 12-05-2014, 11:01 AM Thread Starter
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I can get him to move his hind end away from me with no problem and yes I have ended the sessions with him not lunging due to the fact it gets dark so early now and I have no outside lights where I do my ground work with him so I will definitely work on that to
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post #14 of 17 Old 12-05-2014, 02:05 PM
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are you lunging with a traditional lunge line, or a long lead line? I would start with a regular/long leadline. this keeps the horse closer to you. (not so close they'll cow kick you, though).

the whole idea of getting a horse to move their sholders away from you is a valuable thing in other ways, too. it's at least as valubale as having the horse move his hind away.

here's what you can try:

so, your horse is standing facing you. you are off about 6 to 8 feet, and you can be smack in front of him but it's better if you stand just to one side, like off at a slight angle from one or the other shoulder. lets say you want to make the hrose travel to YOUR left, so he's circling counter clockwise.

you lift your leading hand, your left, and put a little "feel" (a kind of weight or pull) on the line toward that didrection. you turn your body slightly in the direction, but put your feet so that that are pointed at his nose, angled in that leftward direction.

put a few tugs on that rope to say to your horse "this way", and back it up with a little wiggle of the whip that is in your right hand, off to your right.
as he ignores this, or is confused, you start to focus more of your intent and energy on his NOSE. his inside (closest to you, his left, nostril). I use my driving hand to actually start "air poking" rythmically toward that nose, while still indicating what with the leading hand to go left. I walk toward the hrose , giving him many chances to respond and step AWAY from me, toward the left.

he may back away, if so, I keep approaching, keep lightly tugging with the leading hand to go left, and keep my body drive focussed on his nostril. I am getting him to eventually move his face away from me, then he will step his shoulders out and away from me. I might have to go so close that my air tapping fingers now tap sharply on his cheek or the left side of his nose. he WILL move his head away, and his shoulders will follow, and he'll step out away from me.

this puts him from having his head nearly straight at me, to having the side of his body available to me, and now I can use that whip or my body language to drive him forward. it's important to keep up a feel of a forward tug on the line initially, becuase if I am just driving him, he will back away, or turn to face me. it's the combination of that leftward "feel" on the line AND the driving that gets him to follow the pull on the rope and start to walk forward.
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post #15 of 17 Old 12-05-2014, 02:57 PM
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Tiny liny I think your post is excellent but the OP stated her horse does know how to lunge and used to do it well. The horse has learned to ignore her and that he gets rewarded for it (never made to actually lunge).

Your post seems geared towards a horse that doesn't know how to lunge, I feel for a horse that is just doing what he wants and ignoring her that the "asking" needs to be a little stronger. I feel he would probably just ignore this too right up to the "push him over" point.
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post #16 of 17 Old 12-05-2014, 03:23 PM
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that's ok. he will ignore it up to being bopped on his jaw/nose. then, he'll startle, and if she keeps at it (that's the key . . keep at it until you get what you asked for), he will step over. she can stop right there for a bit. THAT is getting what she wanted. train just that, the "step your face, neck and shoulder away from me, now".

she rewards that. does a few times. then gets him to do it sooner, off of less than a bop on his face, AND asks , "now that you've stepped over, take a step forwar", and since she can access his driveline (right at the girth or just behind), she can make him step forward with a whip, or a stick with plastic bag tied on, or by swinging the tail end of the rope.

but, get him to step his shoulders over, out and away. this is just as important a step you hiney over.
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post #17 of 17 Old 12-05-2014, 05:21 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the information will be trying this tomorrow
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