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post #21 of 31 Old 06-18-2015, 01:11 PM
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We reacently got a 12 or 13 hand pony. I weigh 170 pounds and brought her back under saddle and still lightly ride her occasionaly just as a reminder and to make sure she's not slipping anywhere. I am very careful to ride her to the best of my ability and not be off balance, and to be sure I'm moving with her. She has only had problems carrying me one time when I misjudged the trail we went out on. And I just got off and walked her up the steep stuff and remounted. There is no way a child at any riding level could have worked her when we first got her, she was right at the point of becoming intentionaly dangerous. And honestly, she seems to prefer me riding her to any child. She behaves, and carries them well and happily. But shes more herself with me on her. Prancing and excited to be going to work
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A lot of good advice everyone, thank you.

I was thinking something smaller for my daughter not just because I thought it would be a better physical match, but I was hoping there might be a psychological benefit for her as well. I think she'd be less intimidated by a smaller horse. Right? Horses of all sizes can be dangerous but I think if something smaller makes you more confident and that translates into the way you handle the horse then you benefit from that state of mind even if it's...well, all in your head. (?)

Although perhaps a gentle manner in the horse can be just as confidence inspiring as small size. I guess I'll just have to see how she does in the coming year.

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post #23 of 31 Old 06-18-2015, 04:16 PM
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Another thing about weight carrying, is how well the roder rides.

My late boss who race rode as an amateur, was fine on a horse that was moving faster but, walking he sat very heavy.

One day he wanted to rode a filly I had just broken, we walked amd trotted most of the ride, walked the last mile home, during which time th filly started messing around, going sideways, jogging, pulling on he reins. Only when I unpacked her did I realise that her back had been scalded where he sat heavy at the walk

bsms that English saddle you have is a bad type because of the narrowness of the flocking
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post #24 of 31 Old 06-18-2015, 05:04 PM
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...bsms that English saddle you have is a bad type because of the narrowness of the flocking
17.5" Bates Caprilli Close Contact. I personally think the channel was too narrow. The rest of it fit Mia pretty well, but she had an A-frame back and I think it put pressure too close to the spine. However, it was not particularly narrow, nor was the shape of the panels unusual for a close contact English saddle. I've seen narrower channels and smaller panels.

Too narrow for Mia, IMHO:



https://www.smartpakequine.com/pt/pt...e-contact-6089

I'm also not a fan of CAIR. The interchangeable gullets were nice, and it fit the curve of her back well. I also had their AP version:



It had a wider channel, but it also was flatter - what western saddles call "rock". Don't know if English saddles use the same term, but the AP version didn't have enough rock while the CC version was spot on. Sold them both when I decided a western saddle matched my personality, approach to riding and goals better.

I liked riding the CC saddle. Mia rode well enough in it, but I had to work on my position. Their AP version was too bouncy on her back, like trying to ride a basketball. If I ever buy an English saddle again, I won't be buying a Bates with CAIR. However, I think it is true that a western saddle is designed to distribute weight over a greater area than the tree of an English saddle:





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...I was thinking something smaller for my daughter not just because I thought it would be a better physical match, but I was hoping there might be a psychological benefit for her as well. I think she'd be less intimidated by a smaller horse. Right?...
Smaller is less intimidating for about 5 minutes. Over a few hours, it is the personality of the horse that gives confidence. Our 13 hand mustang has intimidated more than one adult, although he is fine when going out on a trail ride. Lilly was 14.2 & 775, but very sweet. Trooper is 14.3 & 835, but does a good job of giving confidence because you have to WORK to come off him. If he can, he'll move to stay under you. The little mustang will take care of himself, but won't give a rat's rear if the rider gets hurt. In fact, he'd probably smile...
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post #25 of 31 Old 06-18-2015, 07:05 PM Thread Starter
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Right, but I'm assuming a large thoroughly trained, gentle horse vs. a small thoroughly trained, gentle horse. I think the nature of the horse is important, but there is also a human element to the bond. Everyone has their personal comfort zone and the borders of that space are not always rationally defined (though I don't think that makes those boundaries any less real). : P
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Does your daughter want a smaller horse? Sounds like YOU are assuming she would want a smaller one.

As someone who has worked with LOTS of horses and kids unless the kid has preexisting issues it really does NOT matter. In fact many kids want to ride the "big horse" it's an upgrade, like sitting in the front seat in the car :). Even the more timid ones really are not concerned about size if the horse is sweet and quiet. It's really a confidence booster to ride the BIGGE horses. Yes a horse CAN be too big but unless the horse is huge it's really just a matter of movement and unless the horse is a huge mover then it really doesn't matter at this point in time.

Our first horse was a small 14hh. She was perfect. My sister and I were slightly older then your daughter (12/10). I think a similar size would be optimal.

OR you could get something like my Icelandic that is 12.3 and can easily carry 170 or so. (If/when I have kids I will get them an Icelandic. BEST kids horses and fun for adults even though my mare is personally a little opinionated for smaller children LOL) 12.3 is the smaller end for that breed or cob types in general.

The issue with that is if your children/daughter get older and advance depending on goals a cob type may not be as athletically suitable as an average horse.
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Well no, I'm not assuming. I'm making an educated guess based on fairly in depth knowledge of my daughter. : / But I also meant to indicate that I'm willing to be informed by future events when I said "we'll just have to see how she does in the coming year" meaning she'll find out what she likes in lessons I suppose.

My daughter has been overwhelmed by things that other kids found to be confidence boosters before. I myself had the biggest horse in the paddock when I was her age and learning to ride and I can remember how great that felt and how jealously I hogged him while I was there. It was totally depressing for him to be in use by someone else because then I had to use a smaller horse. It just doesn't look like that's how my kid is going to be.

Good point on outgrowing the horse and thanks for sharing about the icelandics!
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We lent our 18.2 hand draft to the lesson barn one summer so the instructor could have a horse for larger adults. The adults were intimidated and wanted nothing to do with her though she is very gentle, super sweet and accommodating to riders of all levels. The kids, even the smallest ones all fought over her. That surprised me. You know your daughter best and seeing what happens over the next year with lessons is sensible. We have several families here that have turned to haflingers so they have something shorter but sturdy enough for a reasonable sized adult. I'd still look at a range of animals if the personality was what I wanted. GL and happy hunting when the time comes.
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post #29 of 31 Old 06-19-2015, 09:09 PM
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While I agree what others have said about kids on bigger horses, my own kids feel more comfortable on smaller horses. The fact that they can deal with them easily on the ground themselves is not to be underestimated either I reckon. When out on a trail, they're small enough for the kids to park at a log or rock to climb on bareback, or to mount saddled from the ground.
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Just a follow up because I didn't answer bsm... How interesting, if that cavalry reference is fake! Been repeated often, and it's the kind of thing I suppose people think is easily verified, so take it on faith. And yes, I did notice that study I saw online had only used 8 horses, which IMO does have unfitn't add up to 'proof'. Th Tey were also all light riding horses. That they were all unfit was not an issue IMO for the study, so long as they were all unfit. Especially since so many people do happen to ride unfit horses. I accept the limitations of that study, but what of your 'proof' about the 30-40%??

Anyway, as mentioned, on this note, it is mostly anatomy & bodywork classes that have strengthened this opinion for me. I have seen too much damage from riding generally, to discount factors like rider weight for INCREASING risk.

It is not that 20% is 'safe', and just because horses cope with that or more doesn't mean to say they are doing it without damage, that they should do it & it's perfectly fine for them. It is obvious that riding potentially does more damage to a horse than many people are aware, so it is vital to be more considerate of all the factors that influence this if we care for the animal's welfare.

Oh & the above pic of the English saddle tree... just Ouch! as to where those points are digging in!
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