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post #21 of 28 Old 05-30-2019, 02:39 PM
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Get a horse like that, and if you decide to quit riding, selling him to a good home will be a piece of cake.

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post #22 of 28 Old 05-30-2019, 03:16 PM
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trailhorserider. I'm a believer in the 20% weight limit a horse should carry (rider + tack). Sure one can stretch that number if travelling on level ground, if the rider is well balanced, etc. But basically, I'm a believer.
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post #23 of 28 Old 05-30-2019, 03:29 PM
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I've seen zero sign of validity in the 20% rule. Neither the US nor British cavalries followed it. I've never ridden a horse below 20%, and I don't have any level terrain near me. 30% is an issue. Bandit being ridden at 35%+ was wrong. But not 20%. I've watched sheepherders riding 25+ miles a day 3-4 days a week in the mountains break it without a problem.

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post #24 of 28 Old 05-30-2019, 04:55 PM
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I was like you, a horse owner with almost no experience. As many posters have already stated; your success will depend on the horse you get.


The horse I got is very spooky and as a result I find myself in situations where I have no idea what to do. It can be scary at times, and scary is not really fun.


For example; took her for a nice hand walk around the farm to get acquainted, she bolted so fast I lost hold of her and she galloped around the barn three times before she decided to go in. Yikes!! I just stood there with my mouth open.


The best thing I did was start lessons, 50 minute drive but a great barn and I've learned so much, which in turn has helped me handle my difficult horse better. We have a lovely bond now.


So I can say it has worked out for me, not always smooth sailing, but yes it is possible.


Really good idea to get help though.
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post #25 of 28 Old 05-30-2019, 05:36 PM
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trailhorserider. I'm a believer in the 20% weight limit a horse should carry (rider + tack). Sure one can stretch that number if travelling on level ground, if the rider is well balanced, etc. But basically, I'm a believer.
That's great if you can do it. I would love to be within the 20% rule. I am probably over that right now with my current horse, with tack. I have struggled with my weight my whole life. I don't like being heavy. Sometimes I will loose a little weight, but even then, I am probably right on the bubble. It's not something I feel great about.

However, I find that actually, I seem to worry about it more than anybody I ride with. The lady that gave me my horse doesn't worry about it at all, and even though her and her husband are NOT fat, they are quite tall. They don't think anything of riding small horses.

I did, once, have a horse I didn't worry about my weight on. He was a huge, 16 hand, at least 1300 lb QH/Fox Trotter cross. Built like a tank. He was also the foal I raised that ended up being too much horse for me. So now I am back riding "normal" sized horses. My current mare (in my avatar) is probably 1200lbs, 14.3 hands. She's short and stocky. I am not doing endurance with her or galloping her around. She does great for me on walk/gait (and occasional canter) trail rides.

Anyway, Arabians are great horses. And although they tend to be smaller than a lot of other breeds, they come in all sizes too.

There's a lot of stupid out there!
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post #26 of 28 Old 05-30-2019, 05:49 PM
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I've seen zero sign of validity in the 20% rule. Neither the US nor British cavalries followed it. I've never ridden a horse below 20%, and I don't have any level terrain near me. 30% is an issue. Bandit being ridden at 35%+ was wrong. But not 20%. I've watched sheepherders riding 25+ miles a day 3-4 days a week in the mountains break it without a problem.
I agree.

I think common sense is important too. It is one thing to be at war (like the cavalry) and you NEED that horse to get you where you need to go, without breaking down. You may push that horse to it's limits.

As someone who rides for pleasure, you know if your horse is breathing hard or having trouble carrying you. You can stop to rest, scale back what you are doing, do shorter rides, etc. You don't have to push your horse so hard. Since I've kept most of my horses into their geriatric years, it's something I've grown accustomed to. You take your older horse on shorter, easier rides, not the 15 milers. At the moment I have only one horse. And she's 17. She's doing awesome. But when she's a few years past 20 I will probably be looking for a second horse to do longer rides with, because I don't want to push an older horse too hard.


You can tell when they are carefree and full of energy and have no problems carrying you. And when they start to get a little arthritis or huff and puff going up the hills, you can feel that too.


I think there was a study somewhere on the Tevis Cup completion rates.......that weight actually had no bearing on completion rates. Now that doesn't mean I would take a horse out on the Tevis. I know that wouldn't be fair to do that to a horse at my weight. BUT, among riders actually competing at the Tevis, rider weight didn't have any bearing on the horses ability to complete the distance, if my memory serves me correct.
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post #27 of 28 Old 05-30-2019, 06:43 PM
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Yes. I mean it depends on YOU I think. Personally even though I had enough experience (as much as I could get over the years and without many willing professionals to take on an older woman - their words - to teach.) So I bought a horse from a reputable person who sold RDA horses, horses used in disability therapy programs etc, and who supplied nearly all the amazing horses at my riding yard. She picked one that was just enough horse and on the condition that I found a yard and instructor to work with me. I did. Literally on the day horse arrived I handed her to staff and was like "now wut?". I remember in the winter asking the staff what rugs and when to use. Literally peppered them with the most basic questions (including on here). Watched guides and read books. Looked at past threads to get an idea of issues that might crop up in future. Staff schooled my horse so she was a good citizen when I got on. All my riding was done under supervision and instruction initially.

A year and a half later yes it's possible. But do not do it alone under any circumstance. You MUST be with someone that has legitimate horse owner experience, preferably a professional. If you intend to ride, you need someone on hand to explain everything from tack fitting, assembly and then actual riding. Lastly, if you are a crap rider, like I was/am(?) get someone else on your horse for it's own mental health. A horse sometimes needs the freedom that comes with a better rider! :) Good luck!
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post #28 of 28 Old 05-31-2019, 10:53 AM
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bsms. I wasn't there to see the sheepherders of which you speak. But the question is always for how long, as in how many years. Again, I wasn't there, but from what I've read US cavalry horses only lasted 4-5 years. After that, they were done. A 20% limit is not etched in stone. But I do believe it is a good target. Yes, there are a lot of variables that can increase that % safely, no doubt (as I stated). I can only go by my personal experience. Ibn is my only riding horse right now, since Amal's passing. Ibn is only 14 hands tall. When I get on him, he's carrying about 22% of his body weight. Amal was 14-3. When I got on Amal, he was carrying maximum of 20% of his body weight. Amal was 15 years old and Ibn is 18-19. So Amal was a little younger. But even when Ibn was in his early teens, I could notice the difference between the two of them going uphill. Ibn's breathing, going uphill, has always been more pronounced. So as a result, when we are climbing a steep hill, I always get off and lead him. Ibn may come down with cancer, like Amal did and have to be euthanized and take a big chunk of my heart like Amal did. I have no control over that. But I'll do everything within my power to keep Ibn serviceable for a long, long time. Maybe I'm being over cautious, but that's alright. My believe in the 20% target has nothing to do with what other people do with their horses.
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