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post #11 of 19 Old 09-13-2014, 08:13 PM
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Perhaps thinking up and down would be more helpful than thinking beats.

Before trying to switch diagonals, start thinking or saying, "Up, down, up, down, up, down," as you perform these actions. Then, continue to match the performance with the word as you say: "Up, down, up, down, down, up, down, up." Voila, you've changed diagonals.
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ecasey the trot is a two beat gait, right diagonal, left diagonal so if I am rising and falling with the right diagonal (left front shoulder) and sit one stride I should then be rising and falling with the left diagonal, (right front shoulder) at least this is the way I was taught.
With a two beat gait, skipping one stride will switch but skipping two strides will have you back on the same diagonal
If I am wrong about this I apologise but perhaps some trainers will comment on it
I think you're a little confused about the sitting portion of posting.

Think of it this way "1,2,1,2,1,2" - let's say "1" is rising while "2" is sitting. So in order to switch the posting diagonal you would do "1, 2, 2, 1", so basically sitting twice instead of once to continue on your current diagonal.
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ecasey the trot is a two beat gait, right diagonal, left diagonal so if I am rising and falling with the right diagonal (left front shoulder) and sit one stride I should then be rising and falling with the left diagonal, (right front shoulder) at least this is the way I was taught.
With a two beat gait, skipping one stride will switch but skipping two strides will have you back on the same diagonal
If I am wrong about this I apologise but perhaps some trainers will comment on it
I get what you're saying but it's also a matter of you can't sit then go up on the opposite diagonal in the same stride (unless you have awesome posting skills haha) so- post (sit inside stride) post- or to swap- post (sit inside stride) (sit outside stride) post..now you're posting with the inside stride! (Sorry for the vagueness of "inside/outside stride" I mean the step of the RF and LH or LF and RH, I hope that is clear)

So it's two beats so don't think about strides, just think about beats :)
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actually, when you are learning to post I think you should just disregard diagonals. it only matters on a circle, and then only on a smaller one.
and, learning how to change diagonals effortlessly and frequently is a good thing. So, make a lot of mistakes, correct, recorrect, andrecorrect. be able to be on or off the correct diagonal with ease.
Completely agree with this. The important thing is learning to post, then learn diagonals, THEN worry about right and wrong. You should be able to post both and feel.

Learning to ride I always ended up on the lame horses (mechanical lameness, don't worry!) and I blame that for the fact that despite knowing my diagonals and having plenty of experience posting, I consistently pick up the wrong one. It's not that I don't know, as I said it is pretty consistant so it's definitely from my body being hardwired that that feeling is the right one, since on my lame horses it would be! LOL. Pretty bad and something I should put actual effort into fixing, but as I am balanced and post correctly I can easily start trotting, start posting, glance down, fix, continue posting. Again, something I should work on but it's really not that big a deal (unless you're showing ;))
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I also agree with tinyliny, the way I look at it is there are a million ways to screw up posting in the first place. There is only one way to get diagonals wrong (IF you're posting correctly you're either on or off). Start out getting the rhythm and motion (I see too many beginners "standing up" when they rise -- **hint posting is meant to make the trot less work by moving with the horse if you are thrusting yourself forward its just uncomfortable) when you get the basics move to diagonals

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First of all I am going to apologise to the op for monopolizing her post and also say that I agree with others that when learning to post just do the posting part and not worry about diagonals, that will come with learning and practise.

Then I guess I am going to play Devil's Advocate and go from there. I will take TXhorsemans suggestions about using up down instead of beats. (his suggestions/ideas are always good)

(up/down)=one stride=one post=2 beats, right?

I am posting and want to change diagonals
(up/down), (up/down), down, (up/down), (up,down)

the only place I sit an extra beat is the singular down

when I am posting in time with the left shoulder and want to change diagonals, when I come back to the saddle, I hesitate (don't go up with the left shoulder going forward) and then rise with the right shoulder, so I don't really feel two beats. My back is really bothering me today so won't be riding but as soon as I can, you can bet I will be out there posting around checking for double beats
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First of all I am going to apologise to the op for monopolizing her post and also say that I agree with others that when learning to post just do the posting part and not worry about diagonals, that will come with learning and practise.

Then I guess I am going to play Devil's Advocate and go from there. I will take TXhorsemans suggestions about using up down instead of beats. (his suggestions/ideas are always good)

(up/down)=one stride=one post=2 beats, right?

I am posting and want to change diagonals
(up/down), (up/down), down, (up/down), (up,down)

the only place I sit an extra beat is the singular down

when I am posting in time with the left shoulder and want to change diagonals, when I come back to the saddle, I hesitate (don't go up with the left shoulder going forward) and then rise with the right shoulder, so I don't really feel two beats. My back is really bothering me today so won't be riding but as soon as I can, you can bet I will be out there posting around checking for double beats
Different ways of saying the same thing
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You'll feel it in your bum, and when you're starting and everything takes so much concentration, doing it the easy way is the best way. Feel it in the bum! It will feel like this if you do it right:

Bump-bump POST!

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OP, what exactly were you wanting to know about diagonals? You don't really say,,and this thread got sidetracked into a lively discussion about how to change diagonals if you're on the wrong one...

Are you wanting to know :
WHAT a diagonal is ?
How to know which diagonal you're on ?
How to tell what diagonal another rider is on ?
Why it matters ?
Why you can't just sit the trot ?
How do you do it ?
? ? ?

Have all your questions been answered already ? before the discussion of how to change diagonals? ...LOL...which turned out to be same concept just a different verbage for describing... but what hasnt been mentioned yet is that you can change diagonals by staying UP for 2 beats Vs sitting for 2 beats...*snicker*...well, it can be done but I cant make myself do it..muscle memory kicks in and causes me to always sit 2 beats.

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