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post #11 of 22 Old 03-13-2015, 10:01 PM Thread Starter
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Agreed, especially given the posts where you were talking about money troubles in previous threads. You're young and I don't see any way that a 13 year old (or thereabouts... I don't recall your exact age) can have the money necessary to propery care for mare and foal if something goes wrong. It can cost many thousands of dollars. I don't mean to offend you by saying that, but you do need to be realistic about how difficult breeding a horse can be.

Agreed though... if you're in doubt as to whether or not your mare is pregnant the only way to know is getting the vet out.
I think you would be surprised. Where I am located, I can go babysitting at least once a week, I give riding lessons 6 times a month, my mom and I are going to start a day camp where we will be getting $300-$500 a week, out of that, I get $30 and the rest goes into a bank account for horses, plus, I pet sit. I have been saving for a while. I do know how difficult it will be, but I also know that I am up for the challenge.
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I think you would be surprised. Where I am located, I can go babysitting at least once a week, I give riding lessons 6 times a month, my mom and I are going to start a day camp where we will be getting $300-$500 a week, out of that, I get $30 and the rest goes into a bank account for horses, plus, I pet sit. I have been saving for a while. I do know how difficult it will be, but I also know that I am up for the challenge.
But you seem to have zero knowledge on breeding, pregnancy, and foaling. Also you're in the process of training one horse, a foal will be MUCH harder.

Keep going, keep moving forward. You'll get it together someday.
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post #13 of 22 Old 03-13-2015, 10:12 PM
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9 months? I doubt it. She has a lot of growing to do in 2 months, if she is. I would get the vet to check her, though, because if she is pregnant, she needs to be vaccinated in about 2 weeks.
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Once again, up to the challenge. I am homeschooled and spend practically my entire day out there with them anyway. To be honest my life is summed up in: wake up, trick training, feed horses, give Midnight meds, school, give Midnight meds again, ride, train, double check water, work with a different horse, come in, relax for a hour or two, eat dinner, relax a bit, go to bed unless I have a lesson or babysitting or something. I have the time and I am willing to learn and know I don't know everything, however, I have come a long way and I'm not the immature, stupid little beginner you guys seem to think I am. I know about horses enough that I can train Wisper, I can fix the problems that my other horses have, people trust me to ride their horses because they know I won't let them get away with anything, (In fact, I rode with one person, they put me on their beginner horse because I had never rode with them before, by the time we were done, they told me the next time that I rode with them, they were going to put me on their 16hh, "at least" gelding that bucks and spooks all the time because I was the best rider at my age they had rode with) I love horses with a passion and have learned and come a long way and it really frustrates me to have everyone think that I am a beginner that doesn't know anything. I have been researching and researching and researching and saving and saving and saving. I don't even know how many times I have passed up an opportunity to hang out with friends because I need that extra $5 for my horses. I don't know how many times I have got out of bed at 1:00 because I just have a feeling to check on my horses, I have no idea how many times I have just sat with them all night, or almost fallen asleep while lying with them in the snow, or stayed home from a family trip because my horse colicked and I didn't want to leave her, or skipped breakfast because I needed to hurry and get out there with them, I am NOT stupid, or immature, or pathetic, or unknowledgeable, or unfeeling, or down in the dumps poor. Sorry, just really frustrating.
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Once again, up to the challenge. I am homeschooled and spend practically my entire day out there with them anyway. To be honest my life is summed up in: wake up, trick training, feed horses, give Midnight meds, school, give Midnight meds again, ride, train, double check water, work with a different horse, come in, relax for a hour or two, eat dinner, relax a bit, go to bed unless I have a lesson or babysitting or something. I have the time and I am willing to learn and know I don't know everything, however, I have come a long way and I'm not the immature, stupid little beginner you guys seem to think I am. I know about horses enough that I can train Wisper, I can fix the problems that my other horses have, people trust me to ride their horses because they know I won't let them get away with anything, (In fact, I rode with one person, they put me on their beginner horse because I had never rode with them before, by the time we were done, they told me the next time that I rode with them, they were going to put me on their 16hh, "at least" gelding that bucks and spooks all the time because I was the best rider at my age they had rode with) I love horses with a passion and have learned and come a long way and it really frustrates me to have everyone think that I am a beginner that doesn't know anything. I have been researching and researching and researching and saving and saving and saving. I don't even know how many times I have passed up an opportunity to hang out with friends because I need that extra $5 for my horses. I don't know how many times I have got out of bed at 1:00 because I just have a feeling to check on my horses, I have no idea how many times I have just sat with them all night, or almost fallen asleep while lying with them in the snow, or stayed home from a family trip because my horse colicked and I didn't want to leave her, or skipped breakfast because I needed to hurry and get out there with them, I am NOT stupid, or immature, or pathetic, or unknowledgeable, or unfeeling, or down in the dumps poor. Sorry, just really frustrating.
I am not saying you are stupid, immature, blah blah. I do not believe you have the funds or knowledge to do this. Raising and caring for a pregnant mare and then a foal is a LOT different than caring for an older horse. I just don't think you have foal knowledge.

I think you should do something more challenging. Find a barn that has foals. Like a breeding barn and ask to help. It's springtime so mares will probably be foaling soon. You could be taking care of a lot of mares and foals instead of just one. Plus, there will be experienced people there at any time. I bet you will learn a lot and it will prepare you for your own breeding in a few years.

Keep going, keep moving forward. You'll get it together someday.
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Agreed. I'm not trying to insult you simply for being young, stupid, immature, etc. I've been around horses longer than you (again, not meant as an insult! Simply based on age math) and I would not consider breeding a horse just based on my lack of experience. It can save a lot of heartache in the long run. I would wait a couple of years, saving money up during that time, and shadow a reproductive vet when you get of age. This will be a very eye opening experience for you, and you'll learn more than you ever dreamed of knowing about equine reproduction today!

Also, if you are capable of making a couple hundred dollars per week your family should not be having any trouble paying their mortgage. I'm sorry if it's a sensitive subject for you, but you presented that info to us. It is the parents job in the relationship to provide proper housing for their children, but if you want to keep this nice property and your horses then I would step up and offer to help. Keep your dad from working two jobs, and keep the property. I may be wrong, but I THINK you were the one who posted a breeding thread awhile back when you claimed that you would keep the foal for its entire life when someone mentioned the difficulty in selling less than stellar foals. That's not going to be the case if your family doesn't get their housing situation sorted out first. I can completely sympathize with you about the housing situation and the rough place it puts your family, but I don't see how bringing a foal into that uncertainty is a good idea at all.
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Agreed. I'm not trying to insult you simply for being young, stupid, immature, etc. I've been around horses longer than you (again, not meant as an insult! Simply based on age math) and I would not consider breeding a horse just based on my lack of experience. It can save a lot of heartache in the long run. I would wait a couple of years, saving money up during that time, and shadow a reproductive vet when you get of age. This will be a very eye opening experience for you, and you'll learn more than you ever dreamed of knowing about equine reproduction today!

Also, if you are capable of making a couple hundred dollars per week your family should not be having any trouble paying their mortgage. I'm sorry if it's a sensitive subject for you, but you presented that info to us. It is the parents job in the relationship to provide proper housing for their children, but if you want to keep this nice property and your horses then I would step up and offer to help. Keep your dad from working two jobs, and keep the property. I may be wrong, but I THINK you were the one who posted a breeding thread awhile back when you claimed that you would keep the foal for its entire life when someone mentioned the difficulty in selling less than stellar foals. That's not going to be the case if your family doesn't get their housing situation sorted out first. I can completely sympathize with you about the housing situation and the rough place it puts your family, but I don't see how bringing a foal into that uncertainty is a good idea at all.
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That's why I only get $30 and the rest goes into the bank, that way I pay entirely for the horses and that is one thing off their back.
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I remember two things very clearly from my childhood; 1, being that I hated it when people thought I was too young or immature to completely understand the things I was interested in doing, and 2, that I was quite sure I knew exactly what I was doing, what I was getting into, and what it was going to cost me (in money, time, effort, etc.)

Now that I'm older I realize that I was pretty much clueless. But a lot of passion can make up for a lot of cluelessness. The question is, how realistic is it to imagine that the passion you have for what it is you want to do is enough to overcome the realities of life, the realities of raising a foal?

If I could talk to my younger self and do life all over, I'd tell Younger Me to listen to those older and wiser than me, and weigh what they're saying very very heavily against my passion and decide if I'm ready for worst-case scenario.

For you, worst case scenario is this: you breed a pony, you have a foal who isn't healthy, you cannot afford the vet bills, your baby suffers, and you end up having to put the baby down, maybe in a less-than-humane way because you can't afford the vet. For your parents, worst case scenario is: they can't afford your hobby, they lose their house, they have to give your foal away to someone who might not care well for it, or just put it down because they can't find a home for it.

Can you, as a teenager, keep these things from happening? No. They are completely out of your control. All of it is. You can't control the health of the horse, you can't control your parents' financial situation. You cannot control how much the vet will charge you.

Maybe you'll have the best-case scenario happen. That would be awesome. But does real life always work that way? No. Heck no. It almost never does. It's usually somewhere in the middle, not awesome and not the worst. But at 13 years old and financially already behind the 8-ball, you're not in any position to manage something bad. Murphy's Law: what can go wrong, will go wrong.

As a woman who was once a fireball kind of girl like I sense you are, I'd tell you to just wait. Do the homework of working in the field first. See the bad things that can happen and watch people work through those things. If after a few years you're still passionate about what you want to do, do it. At least then you'll have the experience to manage the bad things when they happen.
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That's why I only get $30 and the rest goes into the bank, that way I pay entirely for the horses and that is one thing off their back.
Let me just start off by saying that I don't know the entire story here, just read threads in bits and pieces.

I think it's great that you help pay (all of it?) for your horses. A lot of young people don't, so it's great seeing a younger person chipping in some, if not all, the funds for their horse(s).

I have to wonder though, WHY are you planning to breed this particular horse? And what happens if the mare/foal need some form of emergency or ongoing vet care. Who pays for that? What if that cost goes way beyond what you make each month? Have you spoken to your vet about ALL the routine costs for breeding? And the training ...who will do that/pay for that?

Just some things to think about.
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If the foal is six months than she can't be nine months pregnant. Most animals can't get pregnant while carrying a baby. The exception is kangaroos who actually have like three babies, a big joey, a small joey and than a fetus/type joey that is the size of a lima bean. Foal heat occurs about a week after foaling, so if the mares filly is six months than she would be six months pregnant.
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