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post #21 of 30 Old 03-27-2015, 10:22 AM
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I guess I shouldn't have been stunned. There are plenty of parents of unruly/undisciplined children who drug their kids into submission. Why not their horses too?
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I've read most of the comments, but not all of them.
Some advice I agree with, some I don't.

What I find interesting is no one really came out with doing some important ground work, just glossed over it.
If that horse handles on the ground as she should, or you start now handling her and getting her to respond and respect your voice and cues....That horse should go where you go, follow where you lead.
She may not go quickly if she has fear...but she will go on for you.
Take your time!!
The day of "the big move" you have NOTHING else planned but to take your time, all the time in the world, load and leave....
If you feel rushed, not going to happen as that horse is finely tuned into your emotions and can smell and sense your anguish, being apprehensive and fear.
Yup, you have some fear because of what you've heard....she smells it and knows it.
Work with her, gain her trust and you give yours when you feel comfortable giving it.
Don't expect a week of extra time with her to be enough in all honesty.
Something like this will take longer than that.

There are issues it sounds like in handling of this mare... someplace someone or something did her wrong because you don't take a ex-broodmare and her just kill a stallion...that is hugely wrong, regardless of the circumstance...there is much more to that story you either don't know or haven't divulged...
Or did I get that part completely wrong?

As for drugging her....well, that is entirely up to you ...
I look at it this way...
All those horses our there that take calming remedies, herbal or holistic supplements, mare magic, regu-mate or any of the other hormonal "remedies"...they are all having a "cocktail" to {I hope} help them to be better partners for their riders.
If that "cocktail" helps that horse to be handled making for safer conditions for her and you, then there is nothing wrong with it.
If you choose to not go that route that is fine too.
Hopefully you will know really well this animal when the time comes and not under-estimate what power and fast reaction to stress a horse can have and what it can do.
That calm demeanor can suddenly be a hellion....

BTW...since I doubt you are going to do this move by yourself, have the extra set of hands be horse knowledgeable to recognize danger and the ability to react to keep you and or that horse safe from injury.

Do be careful.
Congratulations on acquiring a new horse and safe travels to both of you when heading for home.
Happy trails.


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post #23 of 30 Old 03-27-2015, 12:34 PM
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I'm going against the tide here. But, considering the mare has more than just trailering issues; she only likes some people, and she has killed a stallion, I would have a nice little something to chill her out, if needed.

You are only trying to get here from point A to point B calmly. At point B, you can then start the serious training this mare needs.
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Yep, I made a nasty note and can't delete it. Sorry.
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post #25 of 30 Old 03-28-2015, 05:58 PM
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I'm not a fan of tranquing unless there's no other option. It wouldn't be my go-to solution from the get-go as you're just putting a band-aid on the problem vs trying to healing the wound. Short term gain, no long term gain however.
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Not my go to either but if the OP decides she want to "just get her home" it may not be a bad idea. Just enough to get the edge off and relaxed. Actually it may have use as a training tool as "oh that wasn't that bad" (Not saying to use it specifically that way)
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post #26 of 30 Old 03-28-2015, 06:01 PM
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I'm stunned by the suggestion to drug a horse over something that you can train him to do. If you drug the horse to load, what are you going to do hours later when you reload? Drug him again?? And how will the horse perform at the show?

I suppose drugging to load would be useful for an emergency evacuation if a hurricane was bearing down or an emergency trip to the vet for a horse you can't load. Even for the later, a farm call is a better solution.
Training should always come first, but there are times when that is not an option.

The OP is not talking about showing..

Yes in a "the horse needs to load" situation it can be useful, the OP has stated she is willing to take the time which is fantastic so therefore that shouldn't be needed.

Not sure where the parents/kids comment ties in.. or what it means. Sedation should never be about "submission". Also things to correct medical issues are not relevant.

Woodhaven, I agree but it shouldn't be more than a few steps to get out of the trailer or close the divider. I'm sure the OP is safety conscious and will plan an escape route at all times. I just wanted to point out the dangers of an escape door as I think that's less thought of.

If a stock trailer is an option I'm not sure if tying would be the right choice (though with this mare I would definitely have her somehow confined before walking away. Maybe held by someone on the outside?

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Thanks everyone for your advice. I will be working with her this week on some ground work and taking her over and through things to gage her responses. I hope its been long enough that there is no problem at all but wanted to do some research in case and I'm always open to advice and ideas. I believe all of her behavior issues started after being drugged at auction and according to the new owner the horse hated the woman that bought her and still to this day charges her when she visits. This horse does not respond to being strong armed yet you can jump on her bareback and ride her in a halter or even just by her mane. If I didn't see the kindness in her I believe I would have walked away after hearing things about her but a horse that runs to you if you pretend to cry deserves love and attention. From what I hear she either loves you or hates you and lucky for me she seems to love me : ) As far as her killing the stallion this is new information and I do not know what the circumstances were other than it was the woman she hates that was trying to breed her. I'm hoping to get to know more about her mainly in an attempt to not repeat past mistakes. Since I don't plan on breeding her or using her for anything other than pleasure riding I'm hopefully in the clear.
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If you start with the attitude of expecting trouble, you will get it!
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post #29 of 30 Old 03-31-2015, 11:46 AM
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Yes, starting with the attitude raises your adrenaline, which sends the horse into fight or flight. Put all of that out of your mind, and think positively that the horse is going into the trailer, and will remain there calmly.

The AAEP had a seminar several years ago on the research that using light doses of drugs is an effective training tool. My vet at the time had attended this convention and seminar. I used it several times with great results to haul mares who have never been trailered, and no chance to train. There may not have been a problem.....but rather than set up a fight, we avoided it, and the mares returned home in the trailer unaided, just walked right in and rode.
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post #30 of 30 Old 04-02-2015, 08:54 PM
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I think there is too much focus on what the mare wants here. Yes, listen and work with her, but this whole "she loves you or hates you" thing is strange and very "unhorselike". I think that's a separate issue and there is more going on but for now the important thing is she is responding to you, so work on this issue first. Try not to think of it as an issue though, just do it matter of factly. She has never not loaded instantly for you right?

She does sound sweet.
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