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post #1 of 9 Old 11-26-2015, 04:34 PM Thread Starter
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Question about horse stalls and flooring

Hello! I know nothing about horses, but my family is in the process of making our campground horse-friendly, and I need help, please.

We have some horse stalls with dirt floors and a great big pile of sand. Some of the people my folks have talked to recommend rototilling the sand into the dirt of the stall. Others say that you are supposed to just pile the sand on the floor of the stall, and then shovel the sand when mucking out the stalls they say it makes mucking out the stalls easier, and prevents the smell of urine from taking root in the stalls. My dad wants to go with plan #2 because it doesn't involve renting a rototiller! We are fighting about this around the Thanksgiving dinner table right now, and I decided to reach out to experts for their opinion.

What do you guys think we should do? Or is there yet another route we should take for the health and comfort of our guests' animals?

Thank you so much for your help!
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post #2 of 9 Old 11-26-2015, 05:26 PM
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Sand is a big no no. They will ingest some when eating and it can kill them. They can get sand colic. If you have sandy soil you should feed sand clear.
Lime on the base with dirt/ clay. In most stalls especially a campground I think they just use what ever ground is there.you can sprinkle lime in areas they pee when cleaning.
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post #3 of 9 Old 11-26-2015, 11:00 PM
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I agree. Sand is not good. Google sand colic.

Your best bet is packing the dirt and adding barn lime. You can advertise that campers need to provide their own bedding.

And just FYI- if you want to supply and sell your own bedding you can use sawdust but be sure it is walnut free. Walnut is extremely toxic to horses.
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I would get the floors level fill in any holes with th sand and put rubber matting in the top. This prevents the floor wearing unevenly, the danger of them ingesting the sand, easier to muck out, though some shavings in a side area is best as many horses will not pee on just the matting.
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From your admission of knowing nothing about horses I would expect that your family would want the easiest and cheapest way to go about stall renovations...

So, that said...
Unless you are providing stall cleaning which can entail handling horses you know nothing about if they are staying on your premise for days/weeks... {NOT RECOMMENDED!} those stalls need daily cleaning by the owners.
So, a written clause that every stall with a horse in it is to be cleaned daily at least once a day.
Stalls are to be stripped of all bedding at the end of the camping trip or incur a substantial fee {guarantee from a credit card or cash deposit} for having it done for them.
Depending upon where you are you may need to have a dumpster service to cart away feces and shavings from the horses.
YOU inspect carefully the stall on the parties check-out and either charge or return a deposit as situation dictates.
If you do not know you MUST have a current coggins by law and it should be presented to the office upon check-in and BEFORE any horse is allowed off a trailer, NO EXCEPTIONS!
YOU do a visual check to match horse to paperwork before allowing unloading.
Rules about stallions being allowed or not {identified on coggins} and every coggins must match the horse{s] in the trailer...

You will need either a hitching post, sturdy cross-tie posts, wash stall with water hose firmly attached so it not go missing and a lot of patience for those who push your rules of where the horses are permitted to be and not....probably all of the these things.
You may also want to provide some sort of fenced area, small for private short time during the day of keeping the horse by the campsite...maybe something like a 12'x20' enclosure... a paddock. NOT for overnight, that is what stalls are for.
Not every camper you currently have likes horses, nor does every camper appreciate someone walking through "their area" with horses not belonging to them. Maybe only a few sites are made "horse friendly"....

More on your stalls... personally, I would leave them as a dirt floor.
Use that sand in time to replace or fill in depressions that will occur as the stalls are used. Not everyone likes mats either....
Campers supply or buy their shavings. You supply several wheelbarrows for them to clean stalls and return the wheelbarrows to where they are taken from.
If the horses are brought to the campsite and make a mess it is to be cleaned up and disposed of same as stall cleaning....campsites should be vacated clean as they are when they arrive!! Your job again for a visual inspection done.
I would have a clause that cribbers, wind-suckers causing damage to the premise will be charged for repairs of materials and labor to fix the damages.
Horses that "paw or kick" causing damage to the stalls or grounds in that parties campsite will also be held financially accountable to fix the damages.

When dealing with a camping situation you don't see how people keep their horses at home or the boarding barn. You don't see damages or mess either.
That goes for dogs too. Leashes and no loose running dogs permitted.
{My horses dislike unknown dogs and will chase them}

You already know if your family has a active campground that you can have "neat as a pin" campers or true "slobs and pigs" at your facility...horse campers are no different and probably worse.
Not knowing your camp facility and if you have nice trees some people also like to do a "picket-line" using your trees as the rope holder...caution in this as then stalls are not rented but your campsites can become messy, smelly and such...it can also damage your trees!

Be vigilant, be fair but tough and the same rules to follow by everyone and I bet you have a nice camp facility for horse-people.

Just a few thoughts and "my opinion"...

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Ok so to start off with this is true. However... They will only ingest if they eat it... So.... Feed in haynets!! Sorted. This said though make sure there is no sand in his/her water buckets!!! Thirdly it's just like shavings ? hope this helped. Oh and you'll need a very strong shovel ?
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PLEASE READ!!!!

Ok so to start off with this is true. However... They will only ingest if they eat it... So.... Feed in haynets!! Sorted. This said though make sure there is no sand in his/her water buckets!!! Thirdly it's just like shavings ? hope this helped. Oh and you'll need a very strong shovel ?
So you think the hay that falls on the ground the horse won't eat? Every camper will use a net?
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If your going to put any sand down at all, you'll need to put down mats so the horses don't eat any of the sand. If you don't want to pay for a bunch of mats, just leave it dirt. Don't even bother mixing the sand in. Get the same kind of fill dirt to mix on when you get low spots, and make sure there's no rocks in it.

I also agree with everything horselovinguy said
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post #9 of 9 Old 11-28-2015, 11:27 PM
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Horses don't just chow down sand. They accidentally eat little bits if fed on sand regularly, and it can build up in their system IF they don't get enough long-stemmed roughage to help it pass through. The place I board has sand footing and they've never had a case of sand colic in 40 years, but they feed lots of hay.
My point is that horses are in no danger of sand colic if only eating off sand for a few days. For a short-term camping facility, I would think it would be no concern at all. If people coming to rent stalls are worried, then they can bring their own hay nets or bucket feeders.

Great article on sand ingestion:
How can I prevent SAND colic in my horse? — Foundation Equine Mobile Medicine and Dentistry - equine veterinarian in Southern Pines, NC
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