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post #101 of 118 Old 04-18-2016, 01:14 AM
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My instructor doesn't like us to give horse treats. I saw my friend with a bag of peppermint treats so I searched all over and found some. I thought its the least i can do to thank the horse for putting up with me. When I brought them, she said "oh no...you're one of those..." i asked if its ok to give them one and when i should--I was thinking after the lesson and thats what she said, but she said not every lesson...that they will end up trying to mug me and bite. On another trainers website, it says they give you a bag of carrots every class (and a granola bar and water for yourself--gosh, sounds like star treatment compared to my place of instruction!!) I understand they can get mouthy and associate you with treats, but I'm wondering what everyone's stance is on this? That place is $10 cheaper per lesson, too and has really nice reviews.
Treats is one of those really polarizing things. Real simple rule of thumb, if it's not your horse just don't. You don't know any underlying medical conditions, behavior issues, and the owner's philosophy on feeding treats. If they've given you permission, then follow their instructions.

I feed a treat once in a while and never when the horse might expect it. They can get mouthy and bite, but if it's not often, not expected and you don't allow any disrespectful behavior when you do, I don't have a problem with it at all. And of course, if you own the horse, you do what you want.

There are people that if you fed their horse a treat you'd start world war 3, so always make sure it's ok with the owner.
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Thanks. It's a big bummer. Today's lesson was alright. She didn't hit or kick the horse, just mentioned that she pitied him due to my beginner riding skills. I got some "what are you doing"s and "yes, only post on the rails you WANT to (sarcasm!)" from my instructor and very few "good job"s, but I'll honestly admit I've been under a ton of stress and didn't get adequate rest (2.5 hrs), so that was probably on me. =( Makes me feel like such a failure, though...and I hate that. I wonder if anyone else felt that way in the beginning. If my nerves didn't overtake me, it'd be a lot easier! I felt like I got the hang of posting the two point during trot ( I believe that's what I'm doing. Honestly, she throws a new term in ever lesson without explanation) for a brief time then I lost my rhythm and the saddle smacked my butt sending me bouncing every step.

I still think she's a good person and decent teacher (at times), but I'm not sure she's the right fit for me right now. She won't be there next week and I'm really tempted to just try a lesson somewhere else and see if it makes a difference. It feels selfish, but if it helps it helps.
somwhen the saddles a hitting you did she ask you to sit a beat so you could get back in rather or just let you be off?
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post #103 of 118 Old 04-18-2016, 01:42 PM Thread Starter
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My instructor doesn't like us to give horse treats. I saw my friend with a bag of peppermint treats so I searched all over and found some. I thought its the least i can do to thank the horse for putting up with me. When I brought them, she said "oh no...you're one of those..." i asked if its ok to give them one and when i should--I was thinking after the lesson and thats what she said, but she said not every lesson...that they will end up trying to mug me and bite. On another trainers website, it says they give you a bag of carrots every class (and a granola bar and water for yourself--gosh, sounds like star treatment compared to my place of instruction!!) I understand they can get mouthy and associate you with treats, but I'm wondering what everyone's stance is on this? That place is $10 cheaper per lesson, too and has really nice reviews.
Treats is one of those really polarizing things. Real simple rule of thumb, if it's not your horse just don't. You don't know any underlying medical conditions, behavior issues, and the owner's philosophy on feeding treats. If they've given you permission, then follow their instructions.

I feed a treat once in a while and never when the horse might expect it. They can get mouthy and bite, but if it's not often, not expected and you don't allow any disrespectful behavior when you do, I don't have a problem with it at all. And of course, if you own the horse, you do what you want.

There are people that if you fed their horse a treat you'd start world war 3, so always make sure it's ok with the owner.
I've never given them without permission...even to the donkey or shetland pony (my son loves to feed them). The girl i drive to class asked if she could have a treat for her horse. I said sure, you can grab a couple. Then she started naming off every horse she could think of (there are over 20) and saying 'two for you...and two for [insert name]' and I was like hold up, sister. Just take two or three. Not my whole bag. She wanted to feed all of them, but I was like 'other people own those. We don't need to do that'. I certainly wouldnt want an unknown number of people feeding mine if I had one. I try to be respectful and considerate.

The horse I use for lessons now seems like hes giving me kisses everywhere and I think he's searching me for treats. Back pockets, too and im thinking 'please dont bite my ***'.
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Thanks. It's a big bummer. Today's lesson was alright. She didn't hit or kick the horse, just mentioned that she pitied him due to my beginner riding skills. I got some "what are you doing"s and "yes, only post on the rails you WANT to (sarcasm!)" from my instructor and very few "good job"s, but I'll honestly admit I've been under a ton of stress and didn't get adequate rest (2.5 hrs), so that was probably on me. =( Makes me feel like such a failure, though...and I hate that. I wonder if anyone else felt that way in the beginning. If my nerves didn't overtake me, it'd be a lot easier! I felt like I got the hang of posting the two point during trot ( I believe that's what I'm doing. Honestly, she throws a new term in ever lesson without explanation) for a brief time then I lost my rhythm and the saddle smacked my butt sending me bouncing every step.

I still think she's a good person and decent teacher (at times), but I'm not sure she's the right fit for me right now. She won't be there next week and I'm really tempted to just try a lesson somewhere else and see if it makes a difference. It feels selfish, but if it helps it helps.
somwhen the saddles a hitting you did she ask you to sit a beat so you could get back in rather or just let you be off?
Let me think back...the first day she just told me to start posting "knees bent, feet under me, come out of the saddle, don't pull on reins" and she wasn't really watching me. I had watched some videos and understood I needed to follow the horses alternating steps, but it was kind of hard to tell when he stepped. She had me trotting and circling the arena and I decided I'd ease into it and go up for a few steps and down for a few steps. The horse would bump me on the bum every now and then and I'd end up knuckling down or hugging neck. At the end of the lesson, she told me I was doing it wrong and told me to put the horse up. She said I was lucky the horse put up with me. She also said I was standing too long and it needed to be up, down, up down but my legs were not ready for that. I also really didn't get any guidance. I spoke to her at tge beginning if lesson and the end. That's it. She was working with another girl. Second lesson, I had trouble with my horse just taking off without me telling it to do so and then trouble getting him to stop. That, coupled with me trying to post and do the up & down faster, didn't go too well. I felt like I had it down for a bit, but I would lose rhythm. My last lesson, she told me up for two counts, down two counts. On my own, I decided to have the horse walk again if I got out of whack and I'd start fresh with the trot and start practicing again. Does that sort of answer your question?
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Yes please look elsewhere. Do not burn any bridges with the current teacher, but riding should be fun fun fun. If it is not, you will not learn.
I want it to be! There are a few places. I'm not sure what qualities to look for in them.
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look for a small barn. one with a trainer who has a few old school horses and who has no ambition to train the next best thing. someone who dose it because they LOVE teaching and they love horses.
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Here are a couple of articles about trotting that you may find useful.

Sitting trot:
https://aspireequestrian.wordpress.c...-dont-feel-it/

Two on rising trot:
Why Rising Trot Is Not Rising At All Horse Listening

Correct Rising Trot Part 1 | art2ride.com
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I will take a look as soon as my phone is charged. Thank u!!
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[QUOTE=KigerQueen;8924017]look for a small barn. one with a trainer who has a few old school horses and who has no ambition to train the next best th

Yeah! That makes sense. That was the original plan. The place I had picked out looked small-ish and laid back. Didn't see a lot about competition or shows, but my mother was like hey this other place looks nice and I agreed and just went with them. They seemed so much more professional and organized and i figured the covered arena would be nice for rain. I only have one day I can attend per week, so if the weather is bad it sets me back a week. $37 per lesson for private. I forgot to ask if it'll be group or private. Upon calling and scheduling, theyre literally right next to the other place. It's the lady's daughter teaching me. She's only been teaching 2 years, so at least she won't be burnt out. I kind of expect some snobby folks, but I hope that'll be minimal. Its such a turn off. Folks are the same or worse in the scuba community--professional or pleasure--doesn't matter. Elitists are so unpleasant.
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Here are a couple of articles about trotting that you may find useful.

Sitting trot:
https://aspireequestrian.wordpress.c...-dont-feel-it/

Two on rising trot:
Why Rising Trot Is Not Rising At All ? Horse Listening

Correct Rising Trot Part 1 | art2ride.com

Those were some good reads. Thank you! I couls have sworn my teacher was telling me to do less back/forth and more up/down. My lesson at the new place is Sunday.
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