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post #11 of 23 Old 08-09-2018, 11:33 AM
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Oh, I just thought to add though, if I were the person selling the horse I’d answer any question you wanted to ask. I’d be happy to, and happy for you and enjoy talking about any horse. Even one I didn’t like I’d tell you all about all the reasons I didn’t care for the horse and the good qualities too. So, there’s always that.
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post #12 of 23 Old 08-09-2018, 02:44 PM
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I didn’t read all of the replies. I was with @Dreamcatcher Arabians in that some of your list I felt a bit uncomfortable about what was and wasn’t appropriate to ask.

Here is what I do, not saying it’s right:

I would ask the person to ride the horse before I did. Unless I really really trust a person and know the way they ride there is no way I want to step on that horse first. This way you can see some of what you need to know too, and not get in a wreck if that is the case. I watch how they ride the horse.

There are a couple of questions I ask after that. Is the horse sound? What should I watch out for? Why are you selling the horse?

If there was something I saw in the horse that concerned me I’d ask about that.
I think most private sellers are fairly honest. I'm not talking the flippers & traders, just your average joe selling a horse to either get out of horses or to go on to his next. I have 2 horses for sale right now. In my ads I mention that I am down sizing, concentrating on riding and performance and training and cutting waaaay back on breeding. That's true, the 2 mares I'm selling happen to be 2 of my favorites, thus why they're for sale, they'll be the easiest to find new homes for. I never ask why someone is selling, it doesn't really matter. If the horse is a turd, it's going to show up. If they're moving up, they'll usually say, "Pookie was good up to the 3 ft level for hunters but 3'6" is just more than she is going to be real good for. She's better at lower levels. I'm looking for a hunter that can take me to the next level, US Nationals, World Champs." Something along those lines.

What should I watch out for kind falls into the vices, injuries, metabolic (feed/illness) issues that have already been covered. Definitely ask about anything concerning.

I know this doesn't happen real often but it has happened to me and now to someone I know. If the horse gets trimmed right before someone comes out to see it, and it's lame, if the seller says, "She was fine until this last trim/set of shoes.", give it a couple of weeks and go back if you like the horse. I've had a PPE blown right out of the water because of that and it just happened to another person I know. In a few days usually, and for sure in a couple of weeks, the horse will be sound again if it really is a bad trim, hot nail or something like that.

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@AnitaAnne doin' a dirty tactic. I LOVE it. This tactic is what I use in a lot of situations and you'd be surprised how much of an upper hand it gives you!
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@AnitaAnne doin' a dirty tactic. I LOVE it. This tactic is what I use in a lot of situations and you'd be surprised how much of an upper hand it gives you!
Showing up early has become so common place, I kind almost feel like they're late if they don't do it. LOL~
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I don’t feel like I can trust many people selling horses anymore @Dreamcatcher Arabians . I do pay a lot more attention to the horse.

Funny as of the last couple years. I bought Bones from a trainer friend. Like really a friend, the wife and I were close in high school and I was always friends with the trainer too. When I asked why they didn’t keep him, I knew they bought him for a stud and futurity prospect, he said that the horse was like his sire and would never be sensitive enough or have the endurance for the three events. Okay, that’s fine, the colt looked nice to me. I noticed he had calloused knees, but I just figured he reached under the fence to try and get grass.

When I brought him home he went to biting himself and kicking and squealing, it was the weirdest thing I ever saw. Come to find out he was a self-mutilator. Now who knew that was a thing?! So when I saw them in town one day they were in different places in the same building. I walked up to the man and said, “Did you know that thing Bones does is actually a thing?!” I assumed he just thought it was weird, but then he said he had no idea what I was talking about. He pulled it off well too. So, I walked across the room and approached the woman and said the exact same thing. She laughed and said “Isn’t that the weirdest thing you ever saw?! He used to get on his knees and have those massive fights with nothing there! It was so weird. He did it all of the time.”

Well, I love Bones and have learned to manage his issues, but it also wasn’t easy. Then the next year we went to an auction. We bought a 30-day filly, Lucy, that showed pretty well, but the trainer was known to be a bit sketchy. We bought her anyways (obviously). I asked him when I went to the stall to pick her up. “What should I watch for? She’s already paid for.” He looked at me funny and then laughed. “Well I’d sure watch her when I tied her up.” He was right. Lol. At least we were prepared though.

Buying a horse can be hard.

I wanted to add, I wasn’t and am not irritated about Bones’s or Lucy’s issues. I just was surprised that a friend would lie to me and a guy known as a snake would tell me the truth. I made me realize that sometimes people will hide whatever to sell a horse.
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I don’t feel like I can trust many people selling horses anymore @Dreamcatcher Arabians . I do pay a lot more attention to the horse.

Funny as of the last couple years. I bought Bones from a trainer friend. Like really a friend, the wife and I were close in high school and I was always friends with the trainer too. When I asked why they didn’t keep him, I knew they bought him for a stud and futurity prospect, he said that the horse was like his sire and would never be sensitive enough or have the endurance for the three events. Okay, that’s fine, the colt looked nice to me. I noticed he had calloused knees, but I just figured he reached under the fence to try and get grass.

When I brought him home he went to biting himself and kicking and squealing, it was the weirdest thing I ever saw. Come to find out he was a self-mutilator. Now who knew that was a thing?! So when I saw them in town one day they were in different places in the same building. I walked up to the man and said, “Did you know that thing Bones does is actually a thing?!” I assumed he just thought it was weird, but then he said he had no idea what I was talking about. He pulled it off well too. So, I walked across the room and approached the woman and said the exact same thing. She laughed and said “Isn’t that the weirdest thing you ever saw?! He used to get on his knees and have those massive fights with nothing there! It was so weird. He did it all of the time.”

Well, I love Bones and have learned to manage his issues, but it also wasn’t easy. Then the next year we went to an auction. We bought a 30-day filly, Lucy, that showed pretty well, but the trainer was known to be a bit sketchy. We bought her anyways (obviously). I asked him when I went to the stall to pick her up. “What should I watch for? She’s already paid for.” He looked at me funny and then laughed. “Well I’d sure watch her when I tied her up.” He was right. Lol. At least we were prepared though.

Buying a horse can be hard.
I consider trainers to be in the same category as traders/flippers. I have many friends who are trainers. I wouldn't buy a horse from any of them. I'd take them along to check out a horse I'd found on my own, but wouldn't buy one they were marketing. They have way too much experience at selling and haggling and knowing just how much that can say and withhold without falling afoul of any ethics/morals/laws. So, that throws shade on ALL of them, to me. I'm just taking about what I call the "private" seller. They tend to be honest whether they mean to be or not, they aren't professional liars.

And I totally look to the horse for most of my answers, cuz that horse will throw that human right under the bus if given half a chance. Horses can't lie.

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Showing up early has become so common place, I kind almost feel like they're late if they don't do it. LOL~
That is hilarious lmao... OK I better keep this in mind for horse number 2. I was just thinking that... I might just post a thread on here "anyone want to sell me a horse?" Seems to get all this faffin' out of the way! ^<^
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Horses can't lie.
My neighbor had a sweet lil' horse that got really sick with colic and he didn't want to invest the money to get her right. I couldn't stand it, so he gave her to me. I did what had to be done, as per the vet, got her fixed up, rode her a bunch, barrel raced her, and advertised her to sell. She was the perfect child's horse--anyone could ride her and she never put a foot wrong. You could go out in the pasture and just show her the halter, she was so easy and sweet.

The first person who came to look at her had been/was still a very timid fearful rider, and I thought my lil' mare would be perfect for this lady. We walked out to the pasture to get her . . . AND SHE RAN AWAY!! She wouldn't let us catch her for anything. After walking after her for 20 minutes, the mare gave up and let me halter her, but, of course, the lady didn't want her at all. I just figured the mare knew that lady wasn't going to be right for her. I didn't feel bad about it. Ended up selling her to a 4 year old who could, and still does, do anything with her. They love her. That mare knew who she needed to go to.
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I have nothing else to say except that, it would be a good idea to:

once you have gone to the first visit, seen her mounted, rode her... before buying, and without telling the actual owner, you should pay a 2nd visit, so that, in case they had medicated her or drugged her with tranquilizer, you can interact with her and see her without the seller being able to hide it.

Just in case. Here in Spain is pretty common to see this happen (except studs and reliable places).
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post #20 of 23 Old 08-09-2018, 04:36 PM
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I have nothing else to say except that, it would be a good idea to:

once you have gone to the first visit, seen her mounted, rode her... before buying, and without telling the actual owner, you should pay a 2nd visit, so that, in case they had medicated her or drugged her with tranquilizer, you can interact with her and see her without the seller being able to hide it.

Just in case. Here in Spain is pretty common to see this happen (except studs and reliable places).
Here in the US, doing that could get you shot. You NEVER want to go on someone's property without their permission and knowing you're there. If you think the horse could be drugged, have the vet pull blood at the PPE, that will show it up very quickly.
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