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post #31 of 38 Old 12-22-2018, 09:06 AM
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I feel for you! I have 3 ponies in an 80 acre parcel around the corner. The owners live in a subdivision about 6 miles from there. These ponies were bought off of a Facebook auction....sight unseen, and delivered to this patch of land. Yes, for children who had never ridden before, with parents who know nothing(obviously...)

They came out every day for about a month. When it got hot, I asked about water.....she said there was a pond.Since then, the gate has NOT been opened. The ponies are looking thinner. I always stop myself as I think “ I should call them and see if they want me to start feeding them....”

The weight of the world......

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post #32 of 38 Old 12-22-2018, 10:26 AM
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This is typical where I live. People here can be very flakey.
I can attest to this! For some reason, the flakiest people I have ever met have lived in Hawaii! It's unreal! Of course not everyone there is like that, but...

I would describe situations to people in the Midwest (where I live now and grew up) and they'd just stare at me and assume *I* was the one with the problem, the only person who truly knows what I had to go through was my husband who lived there as well.

My parents "technically" owned a horse that was mine (I was under 18 when we got her) and had someone in rural Maui take care of her in a lease situation that was very similar to yours. Eventually the lady got tired of taking care of her - health issues I think - and they found a shady man to take care of her. Had I had any money to get the horse out of the situation I would have.

Well, the shady man promised to take care of her and said I could visit her anytime I wanted. I honeymooned there in 2015 and we called the man who said I was welcome to come visit her and would meet us at such a place and time and we could follow him to his place because he lived off the beaten path and a GPS couldn't take us there. Anyway, he never showed up, never answered his phone. I called my dad who had been to his place before and gave my husband and I turn by turn directions and we pulled into a junk yard with an RV that no joke was probably 50 years old and should have been torn down, and he was just sitting there... we're like HELLO we were supposed to meet you an hour ago at the general store! And he's like oh yeah.. well your horse is in an 80 acre pasture down a mountain and I have no idea where she is. We left and never saw the horse again.

I've since located her whereabouts and tried to buy her back. She is technically still my dad's horse and we have her papers so he could easily get her back if he wanted to. But he doesn't want to get involved.
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post #33 of 38 Old 12-22-2018, 12:21 PM Thread Starter
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I am still unclear on old-man and Aria....
The owner left the island...forever?
For good?
Just walked away from her horses, did not leave you in ownership capacity but expects you to fully pay for their care?

Sorry, to me that is not a lease but animal abandonment to you and if how I wrote it is true then to me you do have the right to euthanize old-man as he is yours...
Leases, at least the ones I've ever been part of never had the owner of said animal just disappear and dump full cost and responsibility on me...
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She left island for a year because her daughter wanted to spend the last year of school on the mainland. I’m not mad. That was the plan all along, and I am actually quite glad I’m the sole person in care of those guys. It’s easier not to have to share responsibility..

Supposedly, owner is coming back after a year, but people come and go around here. So I wont hold my breath. Anyway, When people are not here, it’s like they may as well be on Mars. LOL. It’s like hawaii exists in a different dimension from most civilised places. And for sure there is no such thing as a “normal” horse lease here. Most horse owners here dont really know any more than I do.

Back on the mainland, my feeling was that if someone left something on my property, or in my care, for more than a month, it was “mine.” However, folks on Kauai seem to have different rules about ownership.

I’m not too worried about old man, though. The owner knows he’s on borrowed time. If at some point I feel like he’s taken a turn for the worse, I can get the farrier, the vet tech, and the ranch owner to agree with me. And if I text the owner with the back-up of those trusted, local people, I’m sure she’ll be okay with whatever I choose.

The farrier and ranch owner (who are very respected in the local horse community) see me all the time. They know I’m all-in taking care of Aria and Old Man. they also know that the horses’ previous owner hadn’t been on the ranch much in the previous couple years.

My feeling all along has been that I will eventually slide into outright ownership of these horses. The owner adores Old Man. He was her Horse of a Lifetime. But once he passes, I dont think she’ll want Aria.

I know its hard to understand, from a mainland perspective, how things work out here. On the mainland, ownership and responsibility are very cut and dry. Here, its all about respect and who you know.

when it comes down to it, Hawaii is essentially Polynesia.
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post #34 of 38 Old 12-22-2018, 07:21 PM
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The owner has been way out of line.

I agree with the response @horselovinguy gave.
This. Absolutely this.

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post #35 of 38 Old 12-22-2018, 07:31 PM Thread Starter
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The weight of the world......
No kidding.

I drove up to the shipping container to get my food out today and one of the rescue horses hanging out made Old Man seem like the picture of health!

She’s skin and bones, missing hair in patches... I threw her some senior feed out of pity, but then another three horses, all in various states of bad shape, mobbed me. :/

I’ve said before—I’m not a fan of letting animals die of old age.

But if I started trying to feed all of them, I’d be spending every penny I had on horses only good for acting as an Feed Disposal System.
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post #36 of 38 Old 12-22-2018, 07:36 PM Thread Starter
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I can attest to this! For some reason, the flakiest people I have ever met have lived in Hawaii! It's unreal! Of course not everyone there is like that, but...

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Dude, Mauai is like New York City compared to Kauai!

I always say that Kauai is where people come to have their nervous breakdowns. The number of crazy hippies we get is totally unreal.

But, yeah. The entire key to living on the outer islands is to “know a guy.”

And that guy is the one who runs thing. Not you. Not even if money has changed hands.

It’s not *precisely* like things are decided by a group of village elders...but its not too far from that, either.

Oh, and if you **** off the wrong family, they will literally chase you off the island.

Not even kidding.

The nice thing is that once you’re down with the horse community, people will sometimes just flat out GIVE you horses. Certainly, they’ll give you saddles.
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post #37 of 38 Old 12-23-2018, 11:38 AM
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@ManicDaisy Parts of Maui are urban, but if you go up toward Makawao or even to or past Hana there is some super off the grid places and people.. and Lanai and Molokai even more so.

I actually love the idea of the laid back, ohana/aloha spirit and don't even mind their relaxed view of... well... everything... but there's a lot of rampant racism and a selfish mentality is the only way I really know how to describe it. I've met some beautiful people there as well though. I guess you'll get flaky people anywhere but the culture is just like nothing I can describe.

I digress though. At any rate I hope you can enjoy the horses and work out something that is good for everyone. Looking back I would have done everything I could to make my parents have a contract signed with a copy of the individuals drivers license. Heck I probably would have made them sign in front of a notary. And if they refuse to do so, well, there's usually an underlying reason.

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post #38 of 38 Old 12-23-2018, 12:13 PM Thread Starter
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@ManicDaisy Parts of Maui are urban, but if you go up toward Makawao or even to or past Hana there is some super off the grid places and people.. and Lanai and Molokai even more so.

I .
Yeah after I wrote that, I realized it was an overstatement. Oahu is our NYC. (Honolulu/Waikiki for sure.) But Mauai is certainly considered bigger, just because there are some urban areas.

I dont think we have any buildings more than 3 stories.

But, yeah. everything here is rinky-dink. Our “riding school” is two women, and they have a waiting list so long its impossible to get in. We don’t even have an actual surf school, which is funny since everyone surfs.

No Uber (except down by Lihue.) IKEA wont deliver here...

I did hear there’s a Lululemon down in Poipu now. Which is HUGE.

And Costco may be starting a weekly delivery to the north shore. Which would be AWEZOME. Now, if only I could get the feed store to deliver my senior equine up here, I’d never have to go through Kapaa traffic again!!!!!!
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