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post #1 of 29 Old 01-07-2014, 08:37 PM Thread Starter
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OK, so this is a bit of a vent. I've called a number of people locally to help with my training needs, nothing too tough and I am getting a really apathetic response. Names recommended to me, great conversations when I call them and really shoddy follow through afterwards. Barn owners, freelance trainers, youngsters trying to break in. I'm offering a great deal, good rates, flexibility and the business sense of these people seems really poor. Is this typical?
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post #2 of 29 Old 01-07-2014, 10:34 PM
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Most horse people are not business people. THey just want to ride and train. Are you telling them the rates or asking? From your post it sounds like you are TELLING them what you will pay. That is a real deal breaker to most I know. I normally call or meet with them and discuss my expectations, talk to them about how they do things….(for example, last trainer I could NOT ride my horse at all for the first 60 days).. But, you calling dictating-will probably not work. THe really busy ones-you may need to stop out at their farms and talk to them. Typically that is where they are, not making phone calls.

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post #3 of 29 Old 01-07-2014, 11:15 PM Thread Starter
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I'm not telling them what I will pay, it hasn't even come up yet, haven't got that far, just what I'm looking for help with. Haven't dictated anything as far as rates as I have no idea what the going rate is. When I say I am offering a good deal, I am being flexible about when and how training happens and though I have a list of things I am keen to get done, I am suggesting I'm open to their advice once they have looked at my horses.
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post #4 of 29 Old 01-08-2014, 05:30 PM
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Most trainers do not and will not work like that.

They train. They have a program in place that your horse will have to go along with.

When you say you are flexible? Are you expecting them to come out there to your place?

Or are you wanting horse to be in training at theirs?

What exactly are you wanting them to accomplish, and where is horse, and you for that matter, at now? Know nothing, half trained, or ???

And not sure why they would need to look at your horse, unless you are going into a discipline that horse needs to be suited for?

If you are getting this response from majority of the people you are calling? I would wonder if you aren't off track in what you expect, or they are picking up that you are just going to be too much trouble to deal with.

Don't know for sure what is going on, or what you want done, but just seems hinky to me.
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OK, so this is a bit of a vent. I've called a number of people locally to help with my training needs, nothing too tough and I am getting a really apathetic response. Names recommended to me, great conversations when I call them and really shoddy follow through afterwards. Barn owners, freelance trainers, youngsters trying to break in. I'm offering a great deal, good rates, flexibility and the business sense of these people seems really poor. Is this typical?
In reading this, I have to add....what do you feel is a good deal, good rates, flexibility? To do what? Where?

What exactly do you WANT your horse to be taught? Do you need lessons too?

And sadly, if you are calling freelance trainers or youngsters trying to break in?

You WILL get what you pay for.

Find a barn that is training discipline you want, or that will agree to start your horse, if unstarted, take horse there, leave trainer alone to work with horse and after 60-90 days, you should have a horse that you can ride.

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post #6 of 29 Old 01-08-2014, 05:39 PM
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I have good work ethic and have always been customer minded as i have worked in customer service and even had a couple small businesses of my own. So, for me when I first started in the "horse world" I found it to be frustrating. Many of them have been unresponsive but not all of them. It's always me following up and calling, them often cancelling, etc. I think some of it is just lack of business experience and have tried to take it for what it is. But occasionally you find those good ones that are customer minded, and hang on to them when you do!
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post #7 of 29 Old 01-08-2014, 06:31 PM
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If you want a professional, business type arrangement then your best bet is to contact fairly large training barns who have receptionists and staff that can offer that experience.

The smaller indepdant trainers that are very good - well word gets around. Around here independent breakers and trainers can have more than a six month wait. If you want your horse booked then you have to follow it up, keep on top of things, it's not ideal and it's pretty annoying for the amount of money you're investing but it's the way it is. Mostly, they're not business people, they train all day and then if they get a call answer it. When I was looking at getting my horse broken in the person I found was really reputable but they planned the thing, they offered a service that I either accepted or didn't. A set time period, a commitment from me for coming out for lessons, a commitment from me to spending an hour working with the horse daily for the following three months. They had a good reputation because they were careful with who they chose, they only accepted people who would further the horse's education and therefore further their business.

I guess it just depends what you're looking for. If you find someone just starting out they'll probably be much more flexible and attentive, but they might not be as good.
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post #8 of 29 Old 01-08-2014, 08:03 PM Thread Starter
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Most trainers do not and will not work like that.

They train. They have a program in place that your horse will have to go along with.

When you say you are flexible? Are you expecting them to come out there to your place?

Or are you wanting horse to be in training at theirs?

What exactly are you wanting them to accomplish, and where is horse, and you for that matter, at now? Know nothing, half trained, or ???

And not sure why they would need to look at your horse, unless you are going into a discipline that horse needs to be suited for?

If you are getting this response from majority of the people you are calling? I would wonder if you aren't off track in what you expect, or they are picking up that you are just going to be too much trouble to deal with.

Don't know for sure what is going on, or what you want done, but just seems hinky to me.
Well you jumped to a lot of conclusions didn't you?
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post #9 of 29 Old 01-08-2014, 08:06 PM Thread Starter
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So a little more information lest I be judged a moron by anyone else. I do have a clear plan, I have made numerous calls and the issue I'm having is just that people are unresponsive or make commitments and not follow up. People are either too busy to accept more work or too disorganized. I am not trying to be cheap Palomine, as I say, I haven't even got to price, I've followed up on all leads available.
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post #10 of 29 Old 01-08-2014, 08:27 PM Thread Starter
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I have good work ethic and have always been customer minded as i have worked in customer service and even had a couple small businesses of my own. So, for me when I first started in the "horse world" I found it to be frustrating. Many of them have been unresponsive but not all of them. It's always me following up and calling, them often cancelling, etc. I think some of it is just lack of business experience and have tried to take it for what it is. But occasionally you find those good ones that are customer minded, and hang on to them when you do!
Great, I'll keep looking then. I'm not that well connected with the horse scene ocally yet, only been here a short while bout I'll keep at it.
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