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post #91 of 134 Old 12-03-2015, 07:10 AM
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While all my horses were trained to stand in cross ties, during the time I had to board them, that's as far as cross ties go.

My horses were and are well seasoned trail horses. They are used to just about standing on their heads, not tied, if they have to, lollol

However, regardless of where they were the bridle has generally come off first.

I know there have been a few times when the saddles had to come first but, my horses all ground tie well enough to get that done. Still-in-all, that is not something an inexperienced rider should be doing; especially a child

I hope things go well finding a new trainer. You are well-grounded so I know your daughter will come out of this bad experince the better person.

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post #92 of 134 Old 12-03-2015, 12:26 PM
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I am thinking that halter and bridle are two different things. In my case, the halter is on so I saddle before removing the halter to bridle. After the ride, I remove the bridle and put on the halter, then remove the saddle. I just don't go directly to bridle as I bring my horse in for tack up haltered.
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post #93 of 134 Old 12-03-2015, 01:24 PM
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People worry about horse getting loose with saddle on, horse rolling and saddle gets damaged.
I would be more concerned about horse getting loose with bridle on, stepping on rein and severing tongue.
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post #94 of 134 Old 12-03-2015, 01:45 PM
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that's why you don't tie it to things it can pull out of the ground. if the tie bar isn't that strong, tie it to a couple of loops of bailing twine attached to the tie bar. they will break, but only if the horse pulls back very hard, and usually a horse that has been taught to release to pressure, once they hit the end of the rope and feel the halter dig in at the poll, they give.
I did say 'might'...........................
You see enough pics of horses tied directly to fences and gates to know that people very often don't do the right thing
I've also seen horses pull tie rings out of sturdy wooden barn supports and once out of a brick wall - still attached to the brick which came out with it
Even a horse that's learnt to give to pressure that you think is 100% reliable can have a fail and since many nowadays do use things like equi-pings, breakaway halters and Velcro release fastenings that give way quite easily you could have a loose horse in a non secure area if it suddenly panicked and ran back
For anyone that uses baler twine - the nylon stuff will not break like the old fashioned twine used too
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post #95 of 134 Old 12-03-2015, 11:41 PM
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This sounds like a very strange situation indeed. Her weird habits aside, the way she's correcting your daughter isn't good. Your daughter shouldn't be meant to feel like a complete failure in her lessons!
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post #96 of 134 Old 12-04-2015, 09:26 AM
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That's is weird . I would find a better instructor

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post #97 of 134 Old 12-08-2015, 06:24 PM
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Was the instructor qualified? sounds a bit mentally dodgy!
Everyone needs an instructor who will teach and sometimes be bossy but they also need to be approachable for kids and adults.. they need to be clear why things should be done certain ways but in this case I'd not go near them again! x
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post #98 of 134 Old 12-09-2015, 01:57 AM
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I generally don't tie when we tack up or when we're done with a ride. It's pure laziness on my part. The barn where all of my equipment is kept is about 15 feet away from the nearest hitching post. So I find myself walking back and forth constantly. And carrying a heavy saddle any farther than necessary isn't fun. So I generally just park Rio right in front of the barn door. He knows not to move and rarely gives me any trouble staying put.

I have witnessed one big pull back once before. It was one of those things where I was one person working with both horses at the same time and just didn't quite have it together. Rio wandered out of sight while Nick was tied and Nick wasn't ok with that. He reared up and pulled back repeatedly trying to free himself. Luckily once I got his lead in my hand he calmed down and looked to me for direction. It was quite scary!

Anyway, as others have stated, that trainer is nuts and I'm glad you've found a new one. Just to add one more opinion to it when we're done riding I loosen the cinch and hang it over the saddle. Take the bridle off, then saddle and pad, then hoof boots. However if I'm being lazy as I talked about above I might remove the saddle first since Rio is just standing there it doesn't matter what head gear he has on.
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post #99 of 134 Old 12-09-2015, 08:16 AM Thread Starter
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I generally don't tie when we tack up or when we're done with a ride. It's pure laziness on my part. The barn where all of my equipment is kept is about 15 feet away from the nearest hitching post. So I find myself walking back and forth constantly. And carrying a heavy saddle any farther than necessary isn't fun. So I generally just park Rio right in front of the barn door. He knows not to move and rarely gives me any trouble staying put.

I have witnessed one big pull back once before. It was one of those things where I was one person working with both horses at the same time and just didn't quite have it together. Rio wandered out of sight while Nick was tied and Nick wasn't ok with that. He reared up and pulled back repeatedly trying to free himself. Luckily once I got his lead in my hand he calmed down and looked to me for direction. It was quite scary!

Anyway, as others have stated, that trainer is nuts and I'm glad you've found a new one. Just to add one more opinion to it when we're done riding I loosen the cinch and hang it over the saddle. Take the bridle off, then saddle and pad, then hoof boots. However if I'm being lazy as I talked about above I might remove the saddle first since Rio is just standing there it doesn't matter what head gear he has on.
Trying out the new trainer this Saturday! have not seen this one since I posted this and I'm hoping my daughter will love the new trainer. There is a lot of appeal at this barn - a lot of other girls her age, going to competitions together, etc. Will be sure to post (and maybe get a few pics as well).

Forgot to say that she made us pull the cinch super-tight - like two holes tighter than we normally do - and demanded that my daughter do so before we left the barn for the arena. Now we have always only put on the cinch gently in the barn as to avoid him getting since sour. We tighten it in the arena. Her logic: if not fully tightened, the saddle could slip under the horse's belly while he's walking to the arena and he could panic. I'm sorry, but there is NO way that saddle is going anywhere even when it's just snug and I really don't see why you have to squeeze every last breath out of the horse by pulling it two holes tighter when she's been riding him for over two months and has never had a problem with the saddle slipping. But again, what do I know... it was just another thing I found annoying.

And yes, I get that with a very calm, reliable horse, you could do it in whatever order you want. But this is a 10 year old child and we've only had the horse for two months so I think we should be making sure the horse is secured at all times just to be safe. I am a mom after all .
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Was the instructor qualified? sounds a bit mentally dodgy!
Everyone needs an instructor who will teach and sometimes be bossy but they also need to be approachable for kids and adults.. they need to be clear why things should be done certain ways but in this case I'd not go near them again! x
She is not certified. Which I generally prefer, because then at least I know that there are specific methods and techniques taught. Mind you, there are lots of bad certified coaches out there just like there are lots of good, non-certified ones (I'm sure), but you better believe I was watching her carefully and paying attention to everything she says and does. And yes, she needs to be assertive. Only I don't want my daughter to learn the wrong things or just get discouraged. Her last coach was super-assertive and brutal with the kids! But she also gave praise when it was deserved. Oddly, all the girls loved her. I think she just genuinely cared about the horses and the girls' safety and if it meant yelling at them to stop what they were doing IMMEDIATELY, then so be it. So there is being a demanding coach, then there is an unreasonable one. We appear to have stumbled onto the latter.

Again though, I'd like to say that my daughter did learn something from her. And she's smart enough and experienced enough to know what to take and what to leave now. But if we were to continue with this coach, I think we would end up in a conflictual situation because of her style and the way she does things which are just not compatible with us.
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