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post #111 of 134 Old 12-10-2015, 09:43 AM
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Both before and after bridle are usually acceptable if you know why you are doing it that way.. I just checked my BHS books.. old pony club manual reprinted in 1981 says saddle off first.. 1999 BHS stage one exam book says " Restrain the horse with headcollar and leadrope" so this could mean a halter over the bridle or take bridle off first.. but if you have breast plate or martingale you can't remove the bridle until saddle unattached but if you have no bridle to saddle attachments then bridle off and headcollar on is perfectly acceptable before removing saddle... Glad OP has a new trainer.. any that goes and kisses horse mid lesson isn't good, never mind how they speak to rider x
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post #112 of 134 Old 12-10-2015, 10:04 AM
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Ib) you mention a head collar. I don't even know what that is, exactly, but we don't use them here. We use cross-ties and for that, he has to have a halter on.
LOL, head collar is the 'proper' name for a halter! Well I had to learn to call it a halter when I moved over here!

So you DO use a head collar, you just didn't know it

I'm still amazed at all these horses, that are charging around with flapping stirrups and ruining their mouths by treading on reins! Whatever way you untack, do it safely people so you always have hold of the horse....

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post #113 of 134 Old 12-10-2015, 10:13 AM
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LOL, head collar is the 'proper' name for a halter! Well I had to learn to call it a halter when I moved over here!

So you DO use a head collar, you just didn't know it

I'm still amazed at all these horses, that are charging around with flapping stirrups and ruining their mouths by treading on reins! Whatever way you untack, do it safely people so you always have hold of the horse....
Untacking safely is the one!.. I have fun in UK asking the girls what's the difference between a halter and a headcollar.. usually nothing unless its a loose rope h'collar that isn't safe to tie up with as the horse can slip out of it but in general they're the same thing :)
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post #114 of 134 Old 12-10-2015, 10:21 AM
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What we call a Headcoller you call a Halter - same thing different name

As I said , that one thing should not be a reason to change trainers -but if I had a trainer that acted as yours has during a lesson I would probably change to.
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post #115 of 134 Old 12-10-2015, 10:41 AM
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There can be a physical reason to remove the saddle after the horse is secure.
When being ridden hard or long there is weight on the back muscles which tends to press some blood from those muscles. When the saddle is quickly removed blood can rush back into those muscles & cause swelling & soreness.
We don't see that happen too much with today's high tech saddle pads & awareness of saddle fit but if it does happen the solution is to resaddle then slowly loosen the saddle before removal.
I usually loosen my saddles a bit before removing, only for a few minutes if that but some.

I think the issue here isn't the proper order of unsaddling because neither is wrong. It's more the issue of the trainer deciding how the OP's child is to do things with her own horse while under the guidance of her experienced Mother.
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post #116 of 134 Old 12-10-2015, 10:58 AM
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When being ridden hard or long there is weight on the back muscles which tends to press some blood from those muscles. When the saddle is quickly removed blood can rush back into those muscles & cause swelling & soreness.
I still loosen my cinch and handwalk for a while to cool them off before untacking, just the way I was taught...avoids issues like this.

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post #117 of 134 Old 12-10-2015, 01:53 PM
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Untacking safely is the one!.. I have fun in UK asking the girls what's the difference between a halter and a headcollar.. usually nothing unless its a loose rope h'collar that isn't safe to tie up with as the horse can slip out of it but in general they're the same thing :)
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That's odd because in the UK I grew up in (the Dark Ages), a halter was always something made of rope or webbing that people who couldn't afford nice headcollars used - unless you were showing welsh breeds in hand and then you used a white one.
Headcollars were once always leather and then the cheaper multi coloured nylon ones appeared and the halter pretty much disappeared until the NH craze hit Europe
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post #118 of 134 Old 12-10-2015, 02:10 PM
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I ride Western only. My horses are trained to picket, tie, cross tie, and ground tie. Therefore 95% of the time, unless it's a green or new horse, I unsaddle my horse before I take the bridle off. With that being said, I hardly ever tie a horse after a ride(our rides are 3+ hours normally), so they won't be worked or needed for the rest of the day. They'll stand near us until we are finished, then they all get feed and hay.
Honestly everything is screaming at me to ditch this instructor - especially since she seems to be a little bit bi-polar. A bad, or harsh, instructor can really hurt a child's self esteem!

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post #119 of 134 Old 12-10-2015, 03:04 PM
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I find all the posts here very interesting. But I must admit I am fascinated that this subject has led to 12 pages so far as to which comes first, the saddle or the bridle.
FWIW, I prefer the saddle on, bridle on...bridle off, saddle off order.

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post #120 of 134 Old 12-10-2015, 04:32 PM
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Actually, I have never heard of any instructor insisting that the bridle comes off first. On lesson horses, there are times when only the bridle is removed and the saddle remains for other activities. But most of the times the saddle comes off first, maybe she's just used to well-trained coldblood riding school horses who are pretty much bombproof. I don't know why, it seems they believe the bridle and reins give more control, but in riding schools there're always more than one person interacting with the horse so somebody will be holding him and there are times when both items are simultaneously removed by two people. I personally think the order of untacking depends on what you wanna do next and how many people are doing it.
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