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post #11 of 134 Old 12-01-2015, 10:53 AM
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Sounds like this "trainer" is not the same trainer you wrote of a few days ago with such enthusiasm....
I understand people have a bad day, but to take it out on your daughter, or any student is WRONG!

Your trainer has developed some quirks I would not be pleased with...
*No one yells at the student unless trying to divert a dangerous situation. NO ONE!
*This "kissing, touching" of your horses face and mouth area is asking for trouble of a bite let alone distraction and not paying attention to the rider..
Praise is fine, coming from the rider when appropriate.
*If the horse is to be "disciplined" for moving when saddled, a "been-there, done-that" animal does not need to be introduced to a saddle or the process....
*If that same horse is expected to stand still for saddle removal then it needs to not be dragged by the bridle even a few steps...yes, a haltering is done first then unsaddling!

Criticizing the rider, and not showing or re-educating in a better, safer and proper way of doing something is pointless...accomplishes nothing.

If this is how this "trainer" trains....
Well, you don't agree with this instruction type nor is your daughter achieving anything out of being "ragged on" as you put it....

I agree, in this case...
FIND A NEW who is supportive, explains and teaches not criticizes and demeans your daughter...
Critical eyes and mouth used to educate and enrich is one thing, to demean is another.
Learning comes for correction not demeaning!

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Originally Posted by horselovinguy View Post
[FONT=Arial]Sounds like this "trainer" is not the same trainer you wrote of a few days ago with such enthusiasm....
Believe it or not, this the same person who made such a positive impression with me the first two lessons. And some parts of the lesson went really well. My daughter was able to control her horse without using reins, which is great! But I think she was having a bad day and was insisting on being hard on my daughter for some reason. I could have maybe dealt with that, but the saddle off before the bridle was the last straw. I didn't mention this before, but Harley had a habit of rushing into his stall because they used to put food in there to lure him in. We have gotten him to slow down (are no longer leaving food in his stall, but rather, feeding him only after he's settled down), but a very real scenario, if she leaves him standing in the aisle bridled but not cross-tied, is that he might head for his stall. That could end badly.

The search continues, but I am hoping the new trainer we are trying out next weekend is the right one for us.
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What a cute team!!!!!!!
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Harley and your daughter are terrific together :)
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I agree with finding a new trainer. I'm no expert, but I always put the bridle on last and take it off first. If my horse moves in the cross ties, I just make him back up into place and continue with what I was doing. If I wasted time taking the saddle off to show it to my horse, I think even he would look at me funny.

Hope your daughter enjoys that new horse!
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Originally Posted by natisha View Post
You're not wrong in any of this.

Who teaches leg & body cues without reins as back up? Why would the horse even have to listen if there is no rein correction for ignoring the other cues?

I worry that the only thing your daughter will learn from this person it to dislike lessons.
I think it's to get my daughter to soften up her hands. Which I do get. After all, she spent four years riding lesson horses and this guy is totally different and very sensitive (you can see she's being a bit harsh in the first photo). And the seat and leg cues are a great thing for her to learn. I assume the new coach will work on those things as well. However, to jump, she will need to be riding with full contact so this business of riding around with Western-like loose reins and the horse with his nose to the ground will not work for jumping.

And yes, I can see my daughter losing interest in lessons pretty quickly with this coach. To her credit, she didn't quit and didn't say she didn't want to do another lesson with her, but I think she will like this new coach much better. This person is used to working with kids and there, she will be part of a "team" of kids since we are trailering in. I think that will be much more effective at maintaining motivation than being really critical.
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Too many parents take the instructors word as gospel and never question regardless of how the child feels. Kudos to you and we'll hope the new instructor works out better than this one. What I was taught about unsaddling is that it's removed first in case, somehow a horse should get loose, the saddle doesn't take a beating, especially if it rolls on it. A stable I rode at had a tack room a horse length inside the doors. We'd unsaddle and watch that the horse not take a step toward it's stall while quickly putting the saddle away. The bridle was then removed and the horse haltered and taken to it's stall. Most horses figured out the routine after the second time and stood stock still until asked to move.

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Thanks Saddlebag, while I feel vindicated by all the other posts, I am also relieved that this is something other people do!

That said, in our case, the horse would be loose in an aisle with two wide open barn doors on either end so I feel it's safer to tie him in place and then worry about the saddle. It's just a piece of tack. The idea of him stepping on the reins or dragging my daughter around sounds like a much higher risk than damaging the saddle.
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