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post #21 of 134 Old 12-01-2015, 01:36 PM
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I'm voting for finding a new trainer - that one would drive me nuts!!!

Re. the un-tacking
I actually do remove the saddle first, it was something I was taught from the very start of my lifetime with horses
I put the halter/headcollar over the top of the bridle with the reins still in the 'riding position' if I want to have the horse tied somewhere (ie not secured in a stable - we Brits seem to tend to do more stuff with our horses in the stable) I then remove the saddle and put it away or someplace safe and then (if the horse needs to stay in a non secure place and there's a chance it might run away) I take the halter off its head and fasten it around its neck, remove the bridle and then put the halter back on its head and leave the horse tied while I put the bridle away (preferable washing the bit over before any crud on it gets chance to dry on)
I'd still find a new trainer though!!!
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I'm voting for finding a new trainer - that one would drive me nuts!!!

Re. the un-tacking
I actually do remove the saddle first, it was something I was taught from the very start of my lifetime with horses
I put the halter/headcollar over the top of the bridle with the reins still in the 'riding position' if I want to have the horse tied somewhere (ie not secured in a stable - we Brits seem to tend to do more stuff with our horses in the stable) I then remove the saddle and put it away or someplace safe and then (if the horse needs to stay in a non secure place and there's a chance it might run away) I take the halter off its head and fasten it around its neck, remove the bridle and then put the halter back on its head and leave the horse tied while I put the bridle away (preferable washing the bit over before any crud on it gets chance to dry on)
I'd still find a new trainer though!!!
Ok, but you've immobilized the horse before taking the saddle off. What she was proposing was that we take the saddle off while somehow holding the horse. Now, of course I can do this while my daughter takes the saddle off, but someday, she'll be riding alone and needs to be able to do it systematically without putting herself at risk. Putting the halter over the bridle before taking off the saddle makes sense to me, though if I'm doing it, I will just go ahead and remove the bridle because it's easier. But if she had told my daughter to do what you describe, I would have accepted it because the horse is secured.
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Bummer I know you were hoping this one worked out! I also take my saddle off first but I am in a paddock when I ride usually so I just take my horse to where I keep my tack and take it off put it on the ground and then grab my halter and lead rope. It is unsafe to leave a horse untied but my TB will stand and wait if I walk away from him to grab something it just depends.
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Well, that is no trainer! Just a few things I'm not definite on, not having been there
I don't know how your daughter corrected the horse with the bridle, when his attention wandered. If she jerked on the bit, then that is not okay. If she just pulled that head towards her, that is okay
Now the un saddling. First, with me that horse would either be tied solid or ground tied (I ride western, so split reins ) I have no use for cross ties!
If I tie the horse, I take bridle off first. If I just ground tie, then I take saddle off, groom horse and turn him back out, using bridle to lead, unless I was going to tie him up for awhile, in which case I would put a halter on
No, a broke horse does not need to see a saddle, smell it and be treated with kit gloves! That is the way I might saddle a colt for the first time or two, but after that, I would treat him like a broke horse, just throwing that saddle up there, letting the stirrups bump him
I've heard of some green owners kissing , but never a professional!
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I agree with everyone about all of it--get a new instructor, keeping doing the saddle and bridle as you are doing.

On the other hand, I teach the kids I work with to take the saddle off first--but that is because we untack in the pasture. If you take the bridle off first, the horse gallops off with the saddle on his back. I can't tell you how many times beginners learn this the hard way--they have to walk down the pasture to retrieve the saddle. . . and then carry it all the way back.

Could it be possible that this instructor learned like farm kids learn? Untacking in a pasture? I keep an arm looped through the reins, pull off the saddle, and pull the bridle over the head. Usually, the horse walks away calmly to graze, but every once in a while, the horse moves out rather quickly.

I fully understand that if a horse is in crossties, it would make sense to take the bridle off first. But clearly this instructor isn't a reasonable person. Ditch her.
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It all comes down to what your daughter is comfortable with and if she feels better putting the horse in cross ties and then untacking that's fine. I agree with smilie the horse doesn't need to smell or be shown the saddle they usually know what's coming. I know my instructor brought this saddle for me to try to see what type she needed to look for ($1200 :( ) she did let my TB smell it but it was more a courtesy as she had never saddled him before but he wasn't interested he knew what it was.
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A first place team (just on looks alone). How could any judge resist?
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I'll just throw in that the back doors of the barn were always wide open until the temps went way below freezing. Horses are more interested in returning to their stall than heading right on thro. Do whatever works for you and your daughter. This isn't carved in stone.



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post #29 of 134 Old 12-01-2015, 04:28 PM
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A young girl showing the 4H taught way to un tack (English) this one has someone holding the reins for her so no need to tie the horse with a halter

Ultimately you do what works best for you and the horse in the situation you're in. You need to be sure the horse is always 'secure' in a safe way and you don't do anything to risk damaging your tack
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It's great to hear all perspectives. Thanks again to all of you.

Smilie, I didn't actually see what my daughter did when the trainer came down on her for pulling on the bit. She was leading him around the arena. I saw nothing (even though I was watching the whole time) so I can't imagine it was a hard jerk. My daughter has been around animals her whole life and I've always taught my children to be kind and gentle around animals. I've never observed anything different. But if she did pull too hard, then the trainer was right in correcting her. It wasn't so much that she corrected her which bothered me, but the way she did it. Telling my daughter it was animal cruelty (her words) and that her horse would never trust her again seemed pretty harsh. It would have brought me to tears when I was her age! And yes, the whole kissing thing... sigh... Harley is really adorable and loves people so it's easy to love him. However, when I'm on the ground watching my daughter ride in between lessons (I don't pretend to coach, but I try to remind her of things and I like to stand in the middle of the arena to watch and make suggestions), I refrain from giving Harley attention. I feel like he should be focusing on my daughter, not on me. If he does something really well, she gives him a pat on the neck, but I don't think this trainer should be encouraging him to focus on her instead of my daughter. I had to laugh when she asked my daughter: "Why do you think Harley keeps coming up to me for praise?" and my daughter answered "Because you give him attention", lol. She said "No, it's because he knows I'm boss and he respects me." Ummmm, I'm going to say the first one!

knightrider - I can see how taking off the bridle in a pasture when the saddle is still one could lead to disaster! Or at least to having to chase a horse down. We are standing inside the barn, on cross-ties.

Saddlebag - you're exactly right, he wants to get in his stall, not run outside. Which is why I'm more worried about him not being cross-tied than about the saddle getting damaged.

Honestly, this coach has a lot of positives, and I don't mean to be too hard on her, but it was not a pleasant lesson and I think we need someone with a different attitude.
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