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post #41 of 134 Old 12-01-2015, 06:56 PM
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I almost always put the saddle on first and the bridle second. Even if the horse is in the stall and not tied, I do it this way.
I always take the bridle off first and either put the halter on and then take the saddle off, if the horse is haltered and tied and it is cold out, I leave the saddle on for a few minutes. I would not want to take the saddle off and try to put it away while the horse is standing there with the bridle on, I do believe that the horse could damage itself much more if it got loose with a bridle on than with a saddle, the horse could really damage it's mouth.
Also with an English bridle, putting your arm through the loop of the reins and taking the saddle off, should the horse bolt and/or take off you could get dragged if your arm is caught in the reins. I have heard of this happening but never seen it myself so if I am adjusting my stirrups, girth etc. I hold the reins folded in my hand ( I don't put my hand through the loop) then if the horse should move off, my hand won't be caught.
I try to think safety first but when I was younger I didn't really think of these things as much.
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so, the English teach that you just loop the reins over you arm, while horse is not tied to anything, and take saddle off and lay it somewhere nearby?

this can work, and I've done it , for certain, but when you have a heavy Western saddle, it's harder to do. and since we have to go back and forth from tying area into the barn for "stuff" both before or after a ride, then it's just easier to tie the hrose prior to detacking. I'm all for easy.
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I agree with others, find a new teacher. That one sounds like a nutjob and a little too interested in the horse being fluffed and loved, while the kid is whipped into shape and way over criticized. =/
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I agree with others, find a new teacher. That one sounds like a nutjob and a little too interested in the horse being fluffed and loved, while the kid is whipped into shape and way over criticized. =/
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I agree.

It also seems to me from watching people with horses for some time, that the ones who are always gushing over horses and loving on them are more interested in how THEY appear than seeing the horse be successful.

Your description of this instructor would make a great, annoying character in a horse/barn based sitcom. Funny, if she didn't have clients to influence.
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Your last comment is hilarious boots. Probably unfair, but it got on my nerves how she kept going on about how Harley loves her so much even though it's only been three lessons (he loves everyone who loves him) and how ALL horses are in love with her.

Honestly, I had no idea that 1 - I was going to start such a controversial thread by posting something as simple as I did, and 2 - there were so many ways to untack a horse!!!

Woodhaven - you do it like I think it's safest to do. Oddly, she agrees with putting the saddle on first, then the bridle when tacking up, but thinks we should do it in a different order when un-tacking which also seems inconsistent to me. And other than what you mention about my daughter having her arm through the rein, holding a saddle, girth, and saddle pads and the risk of the horse dragging her if it decides to take off or gets spooked by some freak crow flying into the barn (could happen!), here's the scenario I envision: she is awkwardly trying to get the saddle over to where it should be, takes it off on the wrong side, accidentally pulling on the horse who is now totally confused and she's all tangled up trying to walk around the horse to get the saddle on a rack. Harley is sweet and patient, and might put up with it, but seriously, why make it so difficult? As tinyliney says, I'm all for easy! She's only 10, it needs to be simple. Just secure him and then remove the saddle! I understand that it might be different if you have a special untacking area, or if you are in a pasture, paddock, arena or trail, but this is inside of a barn where we always use cross-ties when grooming, tacking, etc. Harley is trained for cross-ties and will stand still (mostly) when on them. On the other hand, if he is just wearing his bridle, he may decide to keep going.

Your reactions have certainly been interesting!
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post #46 of 134 Old 12-01-2015, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by phantomhorse13 View Post
I ride with a breastcollar every ride.. and would actually see that as an argument towards securing the horse first, then removing the saddle, as it's a lot easier to remove a saddle with a breastcollar using both hands!

Fascinating to hear about how different people do it.

True. I only use a breast collar when trail riding, and I also have that back cinch done up then
if I ground tie, really does not matter I see no reason to hang on to a horse, when saddling or un saddling, just never tie ahorse with the bridle reins
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Saddle or bridle first? I don't think it matters depending on the situation. I have seen and done it both ways and also in different places, in the stall, on crossties, at a hitching rail and in the pasture. What I feel is important especially with a young child or beginner rider is safety so I teach tying the horse with a halter and lead, saddle, undo the halter and fasten on neck, bridle, double check everything, undo halter, and go. Untacking is the reverse. I am not saying that is the only "correct " way but it does eliminate some possible problems.

Having to remove and show the saddle to a seasoned horse doesn't make any sense. The horse took one step out of place (not a major crime) and should have simply been asked to step back into position.

Getting the horse's attention. . . I don't know exactly what the girl did with the reins but I hope she was shown a better way of accomplishing what she was trying to do instead of just being reprimanded.

Having a bad day? We all have them, but how about saying "I am not in a good mood today and don't mean to sound sharp with you?

I am sure that there are things that can be learned from this instructor, but I think that there is a lot that she needs to learn. Kissing and making a fuss over the horse and causing it to want to go to her is something she should have picked up on right away
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Now I know why I ride like this - which I'm sure would go over at a show like a turd in the judges' punchbowl:

Move the reins to the halter. Hold one end of what is now a lead line in my hand. Take off...hmmm...don't know. Bridle or saddle, depending on which I grab first. Check feet, rub back, take 'em home (the corral). Not sure if I have ever tied a horse up before untacking. Maybe I ought to try it someday. Seems like it would get in the way of my walking in front of the horse, though.

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post #49 of 134 Old 12-02-2015, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bsms View Post
Not sure if I have ever tied a horse up before untacking. Maybe I ought to try it someday. Seems like it would get in the way of my walking in front of the horse, though.
You have to duck or get clotheslined.

My method: The halter is hanging down, tied to the tie rack where I left it. Throw the reins around one side of the horse's neck, take off bridle, put on halter, horse is now tied. If horse walks off before halter is on, grab the reins. Take off saddle, walk around the horse until dizzy while brushing, picking feet, dropping brush, dropping hoof pick, up-down-up-down. Not for people with blood pressure issues.
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post #50 of 134 Old 12-02-2015, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tinyliny View Post
so, the English teach that you just loop the reins over you arm, while horse is not tied to anything, and take saddle off and lay it somewhere nearby?.
No, the English teach what Jaydee and I described, put the headcollar over the bridle or around the horse's neck, and then remove the saddle.

Looping the reins over my arm while I unsaddle is what I said I habitually do, and I do it because it's easiest for me. I know my horse, she's not going to startle and bomb off right at the yard gate. And even if she did, she would have to bomb around me at reins' length in a small circle. I really can't see that she could take off from standing without warning and with sufficient impetus to drag me; if she's going to take off she gives warning signals and I could act accordingly. I do agree it would be dangerous if she put a front leg over the reins, as it's virtually impossible to control a horse with the leadrope between the front legs, but it's inconceivable that anyone with a touch of sense would let their horse do that (plus physically impossible with English reins as they're not long enough).

However, I am not recommending looping the reins to untack, and certainly not to a 10 year old, who obviously needs to learn to follow a safe method of tacking and untacking.

Acadianartist, sorry to hear that this coach isn't as great as she seemed. Third time lucky perhaps? Fingers crossed that the jumping coach works out well.
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