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post #61 of 86 Old 05-15-2014, 09:13 AM
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Foxtail may be on to something. These seem to be coming around the same time each month since you have been tracking them. I'll be blunt and ask, do you know if your daughter has started her menses? Sometimes PMS can be more pronounced in teen girls because they're already hormonal all the time, but they don't have the experience or mental tools to deal with it as an adult woman would, and she's still developing ways to cope with those highs and lows.

It's an uncomfortable conversation for a dad to have with his daughter (and not many daughters want to talk about "girl stuff" with their dads- I know I would rather have died than talk to my dad about that), so maybe her mother can let her know about the importance of tracking her cycle. It might give her some context about why she feels the way she feels at certain times of the month. It also can teach her that it's NOT an excuse to act out.
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post #62 of 86 Old 05-15-2014, 09:37 AM Thread Starter
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Hormones?
that is my thought

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Foxtail may be on to something. These seem to be coming around the same time each month since you have been tracking them. I'll be blunt and ask, do you know if your daughter has started her menses? Sometimes PMS can be more pronounced in teen girls because they're already hormonal all the time, but they don't have the experience or mental tools to deal with it as an adult woman would, and she's still developing ways to cope with those highs and lows.

It's an uncomfortable conversation for a dad to have with his daughter (and not many daughters want to talk about "girl stuff" with their dads- I know I would rather have died than talk to my dad about that), so maybe her mother can let her know about the importance of tracking her cycle. It might give her some context about why she feels the way she feels at certain times of the month. It also can teach her that it's NOT an excuse to act out.
she hasn't started that i know of ... but she is about at that age -- she'll be 13 in August --

that is good advice --- i suck at those conversations ... my parents divorced when i was 4-5 ... and i have 5 brothers and no sisters ... i am completely ******ed, ignorant, and oblivious to all things female

last month's meltdown was almost exactly 1 month from the previous meltdown, so that is when i figured hormones ... this month it is nearly 1 month ... when the wife stops being sick i will ask her to have the hormones talk with DD
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post #63 of 86 Old 05-15-2014, 12:52 PM
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I agree that it could be hormones too. Months before my daughter started her menses she went through some scary emotional outbursts. She would bust out crying or lash out at her brothers at the drop of a hat and her dad and I would look at each other wondering what the heck just happened. It never seemed to be related to anything in particular and was so sporadic that we couldn't make heads or tails of it. For a time we thought something traumatic had happened to her and she wasn't telling us, because she was so topsy turvy. We didn't even consider it to be a pre-cursor for her menses because she was only 10....early for our family history.

Anyway, it did get much, much better after her menses came and she and I could calendar when these changes were likely to occur and she could be better prepared for it mentally and emotionally. She was so young emotionally that she really struggled with the changes that made her grow up before she was even close to ready.

I hope that all your work with your daughter helps her better deal with herself and her environment and also brings out a beautiful lifelong father/daughter bond. Keep up the good work!
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post #64 of 86 Old 05-15-2014, 01:14 PM
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For that matter, boys around this age also may become weepy, or wound tighter than spool of thread too.
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post #65 of 86 Old 05-17-2014, 10:29 PM Thread Starter
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Day 11

we rode today

DD worked on Dixie, she did patterns, backing, and trotting. she did really really well. we stayed in the front yard. i rode Whiskey (2 year old) and worked on turning and backing. mostly she followed Dixie for half an hour.

DD stayed on Dixie for about an hour. Dixie was stubborn at first but by the end she was listening really well.

ended with rinsing them both off and letting them roll in the dirt. it was a productive day
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post #66 of 86 Old 05-19-2014, 02:28 PM
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With all the issues Little Man tries to give me around the farm while riding, he did exceptional out on the trail Saturday. You may find them to become bored with working the same thing over and over which I think is Little Man's biggest issue. He was alert and forward for most of the trail then about the 8 mile mark he started tiring and just wanted to walk yet still alert.

Just try to throw in some thing different to keep them from becoming recordings of the last lesson so it keeps them awake. I haven't read back to remember if you have done it, but put some landscape timber in an S pattern to walk them over. Walk the perimeter then make big circles in the corners. Small deviations in the pattern to get them bending and flexing to the leg cues more and reins for back up.
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With all the issues Little Man tries to give me around the farm while riding, he did exceptional out on the trail Saturday. You may find them to become bored with working the same thing over and over which I think is Little Man's biggest issue. He was alert and forward for most of the trail then about the 8 mile mark he started tiring and just wanted to walk yet still alert.

Just try to throw in some thing different to keep them from becoming recordings of the last lesson so it keeps them awake. I haven't read back to remember if you have done it, but put some landscape timber in an S pattern to walk them over. Walk the perimeter then make big circles in the corners. Small deviations in the pattern to get them bending and flexing to the leg cues more and reins for back up.
Thanks, that is good advice ... it may be time to put the cones out again
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If you are up for a little manual labor you can dig a trench to practice water crossings. Or if you can get some railroad ties you can arrange them in a box and fill it up with dirt and if you are ambitious add a second tier like a podium. It's a great tool to practice stepping up on and off of and to practice turning around on without dropping a hoof off. Just a other way to break up the monotony of arena work.

Or you have your DD do the digging for double the payback rate lol
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If you are up for a little manual labor you can dig a trench to practice water crossings. Or if you can get some railroad ties you can arrange them in a box and fill it up with dirt and if you are ambitious add a second tier like a podium. It's a great tool to practice stepping up on and off of and to practice turning around on without dropping a hoof off. Just a other way to break up the monotony of arena work.

Or you have your DD do the digging for double the payback rate lol
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she had another melt down on Tuesday ... had a 3 hour come to jesus meeting complete with belt, shovel, wheelbarrow, and sand ... she is back up to $295 ... 59 hours of child labor
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post #70 of 86 Old 05-24-2014, 03:06 PM Thread Starter
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Day 12

got in about 2 hours today
DD rode Gwen and i rode Dixie

DD was having a blast --- she found Gwen's 3rd gear -- the Pace
Gwen has a nice 25-35 mph pace -- DD's hair was blowing back and she was grinning --- she really had a lot of fun
in between pacing and talking up a storm, she would get off and pick blackberries

Dixie on the other hand was a complete butt
a couple times she would just try to get up and gallop to the near side of the pasture and several time she would try run away from the direction i pointed her head --- but wow -- it is doing amazing things for my balance --- as much as it was a huge pain to deal with her, i was really enjoying anticipating her moves and hanging on

i would turn her head left, she would run right, i would turn harder to the left and try to shut down her should --- no luck --- change direction to hard right - run in a tight circle -- let her out facing the direction i wanted to go

at one point she decided she would stop going forward and would only go sideways --- so i kept her moving sideways and turning her head until her hindquarters engaged and we moved forward

took her down a short trail -- and she made a sudden left through some tree's and back into the pasture --- so i decided it was hard work time

walked her down a trail about 300 yards long that drops about 100 feet --- walked her nice and slow and whenever she tried to run into the brush or turn away from the path --- i turned her back and kicked her until we started forward again --- i wasn't going to let her turn around until i was ready

got to the bottom and she tried to turn around -- i took her another 10-15 feet and turned her around --- then made her walk all the way back -- nice and slow --- she was huffing at the top

back in to the pasture and she listened nicely --- i refused to get off until i got that cooperation --- worked on walk/trot/whoa --- if she didn't whoa when i said -- i backed her up a full 50 feet before walking back towards the gate --- rinse and repeat

all and all i was on Dixie for 2 hours and DD was on Gwen for an hour
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