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post #31 of 91 Old 02-04-2018, 06:16 PM Thread Starter
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So here's a thought, one I have no answer for, cos I only just thought it!!!

Is that gadget, and others like it made by people setting out to 'con' people out of their hard earned cash, or is it something that a person found useful and developed thinking it would help others?

It is very complicated, and still I come back to the title here "scams" I'm 100% sure that 99.9% of supplements and gadgets are not needed, any more than Fergie NEEDED, turquoise glitter boots at *cough* price. The old set of boots I bought from my trainer functionally do the same thing, at a quarter of the cost...BUT, BUT those boots make me smile, does that carry over to my riding, does she in fact benefit from them?
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Oh, well pretty tack is a whole other ballgame! Of course you need it! Just like I needed another rope halter (taking the number of halters in my barn, for two horses, to 13) because it's teal! And teal just looks so darn nice on Kodak.
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Oh, well pretty tack is a whole other ballgame! Of course you need it! Just like I needed another rope halter (taking the number of halters in my barn, for two horses, to 13) because it's teal! And teal just looks so darn nice on Kodak.
See, totally.....

Thinking again...must stop that..Fergie has been wearing Gibbs old show sheet the last couple of years, complete with his name embroidered on it. I have now gone ahead and ordered her own one.....was it needed? NO

Will she look great wearing it? YES

Do we perform better in any area of life if we look good and feel good about things? Well yes......

So IF we have a cracking year, can I say buying the blanket was a good idea, cause and affect? Well no, but it would be tempting.....


If we tank I'll say it is Gibbs sulking because I retired his blanket.....

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Just coming to this thread without reading a whole lot of others posts but just wanted to say that with many things the scientific studies have not been done merely because the financial returns would not outweigh the cost of the study. I also don't believe that FDA is always our (comsumers) friend either.

I think that the advise of just using common sense is good advise.

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Okay, this is going to open a can of worms, but if we are talking about scams, I have to include animal communicators

aromatherapy is another one
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For the glucosamine/chondroitin argument I can say it took a lot of swelling out of my knee but I couldn't keep taking it because it was hard on my acid reflux and when I quit the swelling came back. Can't say about it's effectiveness on horses.


Magnesium was suggested by one of the forum members when I complained about the least little movement causing my muscles to cramp. It has helped a great deal but not taken them away completely.


Black Cohosh worked for hot flashes.


The thing with herbal supplements is that you need to take some of them for quite a while before they start doing the job they're supposed to. My doctor was the one that suggested black cohosh because none of pharmacy type medications sounded like something I wanted to take (Like blood pressure medicine when my bp runs 107/72. I didn't think meds to bring it down further would be a good thing.), Anyway, she warned me it took a while to start working and sure enough it took about 2 months. I'd quit taking them for a few days every once in a while just to see if I was over the hot flashes yet and within a couple of days they'd be back. Thankfully it didn't take them 2 months to start working again when I'd do my experiments. LOL


As for one supplement I'll swear by for pain relief for horses is DC-Y. It helped my arthritic mare when bute wouldn't even touch it. Never tried previcox so I can't compare how it worked vs that.


Never had any of the hoof supplements work for my mare whose hooves like to get cracks in them.


Tried feed through fly control and didn't think that helped either. Then again people swear by apple cider vinegar to either use in a mix for fly spray or as a feed through but yet when I tried mixing some in their feed it drew flies like bees to honey so you have to wonder how it's going to repel flies when they seem to like it so well.
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Tried feed through fly control and didn't think that helped either. Then again people swear by apple cider vinegar to either use in a mix for fly spray or as a feed through but yet when I tried mixing some in their feed it drew flies like bees to honey so you have to wonder how it's going to repel flies when they seem to like it so well.
Haha... I never thought of that but you're right! I make little fruit fly traps using apple cider vinegar. They work great! I wish I could find something that's effective for repelling flies because Kodak hates them.
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Okay, this is going to open a can of worms, but if we are talking about scams, I have to include animal communicators

aromatherapy is another one
Agreed. I would not give a penny to someone for them to tell me what my horse is thinking. Or even worse, what my dead horse is thinking.

I think some horses probably like some smells, but I don't think it would cause huge behavioral changes.

Kodak seems to like music. Or maybe it's me because I relax more and get into a rhythm when I ride her to music, so it could be that she's just responding to my cues.
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I do think there are a lot of 'scams' in the pharmaceutical & 'supplements' business, not just with horses - just look at the masses of different supps you can buy at the chemist - & don't get me started on so called 'vitamin C'... I think for the most part, it's the marketing more so than the actual products that are 'scams' tho - as others have said, different strokes for different folks. A certain product may well be just the ticket for a particular horse/person/situation, but when they're marketed as 'miracle cures', or ingredients added to everything under the sun because of some research that showed some benefit somewhere... eg. biotin, calcium, etc. When ingredients are added because they're a 'superfood' or whatever, but without consideration for how they're processed(eg. ground flax which loses it's goodness very quickly).

& then the equipment - sticking to horse stuff here. There are many things that people have found effective for 'retraining' which have questionable effects - eg harsh bits, etc. There are also many things that someone somewhere found genuinely helpful for something or other, but once marketed to the public, get used for anything & everything, or as a 'standard' piece of kit without thought or reason.
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I think there is also a definite line between an outright scam, (selling snake oil)and an alternative product that has some efficacy, or even great efficacy, because as many here know, lots of our patented drugs come from nature
So, Lets try to limit the topic to what someone thinks is an outright scam

Here is a short list of mine, some mentioned before

Homeopathy
Animal communicators
Horsenality
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^Ah, semantics I disagree on. Not because they're necessarily worthy, but I wouldn't class them as 'scams' - well, I don't know enough about homeopathy to say it wasn't started as a scam... and I'm willing to bet that, like human 'clairvoyants', there are many scammers in the 'animal communicator' business, but I think when things are developed & marketed by people who actually believe in them, this may well be misguided/downright wrong, but it's not a 'scam'.
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