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post #1 of 9 Old 06-27-2017, 07:18 PM Thread Starter
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Hey everyone,I recently got a western arabian saddle for my anglo-arabian gelding. The thing is the front seems a bit snug not tight but snug. The back end seems to wide and comes up, tipping forward. What kind of saddle could I possibly get him that would fit. The front is snug and the back is to wide so if I were to get a bigger saddle that wouldn't help the back at all. Although I didnt check the measurement of the saddle after I got it so maybe they sent the wrong size? I did triple check before ordering though. Both him and the saddle.

Anyone have any advice?

Should I get him a saddle with qh bars instead. I just read the arabian bars are wider and flatter in the back. ( for what ever reason) .....if only I found that info before I bought my saddle.

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Are you snugging up the front girth too tight and not using a back girth, or leaving the back girth too loose, causing it to kick up in back?

Have any pictures of said saddle on the horse to show what you mean?

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I would need to see pictures of the horse's back from the side in order to determine whether you need QH or Arabian bars. Arab bars have more curve front to back and QH bars are straighter/more flat. As AG said, we would need to see pics of the saddle on the horse to determine how it fits.
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I would need to see pictures of the horse's back from the side in order to determine whether you need QH or Arabian bars. Arab bars have more curve front to back and QH bars are straighter/more flat. As AG said, we would need to see pics of the saddle on the horse to determine how it fits.
I dont have any with me right now but I will get some later. Also I used A different saddle pad on him the other day and it was to hitting his withers. the front of the saddles bars are fine but it hits his withers. I thought that happend when It is to wide?

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Hey everyone,I recently got a western arabian saddle for my anglo-arabian gelding. The thing is the front seems a bit snug not tight but snug. The back end seems to wide and comes up, tipping forward.
If the front is tight and the back is coming up, I will guarantee the tree is TOO WIDE for your horse and is sitting downhill and putting all the weight and pressure on the shoulders (giving the appearance of the front being snug).

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What kind of saddle could I possibly get him that would fit.

Although I didnt check the measurement of the saddle after I got it so maybe they sent the wrong size? I did triple check before ordering though. Both him and the saddle.
There is no template that you can "measure" that will guarantee a saddle will fit, so I'm not sure what you mean by "wrong size".

Every western tree is different. There is no standard in the Western industry. Sure, you might have a gullet template but that only gives you ONE fitting aspect, when there is so much more than one.

Can you post pictures of your horse (no saddle) and with the current saddle? I don't think anyone can suggest anything without at least seeing a picture.

I would advise you to check out this website and this one too to educate yourself on saddle fit.
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If the front is tight and the back is coming up, I will guarantee the tree is TOO WIDE for your horse and is sitting downhill and putting all the weight and pressure on the shoulders (giving the appearance of the front being snug).



There is no template that you can "measure" that will guarantee a saddle will fit, so I'm not sure what you mean by "wrong size".

Every western tree is different. There is no standard in the Western industry. Sure, you might have a gullet template but that only gives you ONE fitting aspect, when there is so much more than one.

Can you post pictures of your horse (no saddle) and with the current saddle? I don't think anyone can suggest anything without at least seeing a picture.

I would advise you to check out this website and this one too to educate yourself on saddle fit.

( i dont have pictures yet but...) I was under the impression that the arabian bars where the most narrow bars there are... what do you suggest I do?

Edit: unless I can get simi qh bars they arent as wide in the back right?

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Maybe this will help with your understanding. Posting pics when you can will also help as many experienced people here can spot what is wrong and make suggestions on what you need to do to correct it. This from McPherson Saddlery:
There are basically 5 types of trees as follows:
Full Quarter Horse: This is a tree designed to fit what is commonly referred to as the "Bulldog" style quarter horse with a back like a table top. If we were to equate it to a person, think Mike Tyson. Short, Broad Shoulders and flat wide back and therefore the bars are flatter to better fit these round-barreled horses.
Quarter Horse: This is a tree which probably fits 70%-80% of the horses out there with the exception of the narrower Thoroughbred with high withers
Semi-Quarter Horse: This is a tree which is ideal for the slimmer Thoroughbred with high withers. A horse that is built more for running (longer back, narrower chest, ribs not quite as widely sprung.
Arabian: This is a tree much like a Full Quarter Horse tree. Sometimes the only difference between the two is that the Arabian tree will accommodate a shorter back than Quarter Horses. Sometimes an Arabian tree will be even wider - more space between the bars - than a Full Quarter Horse tree. Sometimes it won't depending on the manufacturer.
"A" Fork: This tree is high in the gullet, high in the cantle and deeper in the panels and is commonly seen it what are called "Hard Seat High Back". A Wade Saddle is one of this type of saddle.

It is Important to note that the same "type" or "size" tree from different manufacturers will each fit differently. This comes about because of variations from the tree makers, the application of the woolskin and the application of the leather in the production of the Saddle which all affect the fit slightly. All horses are different and the trees are built to fit the "standard" or "average" of each breed but will not fit them all and therefore the only sure fire way to judge the fit is that each saddle must be placed on your horse's back for evaluation.
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thank you. I was going to get pics earlier but it started to rain and now im to busy. I will about it tomorrow. The swell does touch his withers though soooo I dont know

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( i dont have pictures yet but...) I was under the impression that the arabian bars where the most narrow bars there are... what do you suggest I do?

Edit: unless I can get simi qh bars they arent as wide in the back right?
That is a common misconception. Many Arabians are actually quite wide through the shoulders and the saddles reflect that. However, if your saddle is already too wide you will run into the same problem with the Arabian saddle.

I recommend you follow the links provided to learn about saddle fit and maybe look up some youtube videos. You can make a template of your horse's withers (you can find instructions at horsesaddleshop.com) but as mentioned, it's only one aspect of saddle fit, although it will give you a place to start. Again, pictures will be helpful. If you could find and experienced person to help you that would be best.
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