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post #1 of 11 Old 01-17-2015, 11:27 PM Thread Starter
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Saddle help

Hi all. I am new again to horses. Meaning I rode tons when I was younger but not since I have been an adult. My dad has two horses that he rides from time to time. I have recently contacted a TIP mustang trainer that I have been following for years. I am approved for adoption and am torn between a mare and a gelding. Leaning more towards the gelding, but we will see who trains better. I have seen what this trainer can do with a mustang and have been so impressed for years.
Now the questions, I grew up riding western but now I really want to ride ausie. I have been researching and love everything I hear. Now to choose. I found great prices on KImberly saddles at Statelinetack.com . And they have one listed as an Outrider that I have not seen before but like the look. My question to everyone is what do you think of the three in the links below. Also on the Kimberly there is regular size then a wide size. How do I know what to get?
Australian Outrider Stock Saddle - Statelinetack.com
Down Under Synth Aust Stock Saddle w/Horn Pkg - Statelinetack.com
Down Under Synthetic Australian Stock Saddle Pkg - Statelinetack.com
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I recommend you wait until you choose a horse. Since the BLM horses come in so many shapes and sizes, there is almost no way to pick beforehand.

Once you have selected a horse, see what saddle the trainer has been using. Take some measurements from it. There are many tutorials online on how to measure a saddle.

From there you can make your saddle selection.

Good luck. Have fun.
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post #3 of 11 Old 01-18-2015, 02:30 AM
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I agree, you defiantly have to wait for the horse first and borrow a saddle u till you et your own so you get the right one for you and your horse
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post #4 of 11 Old 01-18-2015, 03:14 AM
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what does "ride Aussie" mean? just ride in an Australian saddle, or will you also start posting and using a different type of bit and bridle? I guess this assumes you've been riding western in a curb and sitting the trot.
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post #5 of 11 Old 01-18-2015, 07:24 AM
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Australian stock saddle is more or less an English saddle. Like all English saddles there is a lot more to consider than just width.

I'd reccomend you buy one without a horn.

I'm honestly not sure about those saddles. In Australia when we look for a western saddle we usually look for ones made and designed in the US, and for English saddles we look for ones designed in the UK and Europe.

I don't know anything about those saddles but I know that they are not available in Australia and no decent new saddle can be picked up for that.

Secondhand saddles are almost always better.
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post #6 of 11 Old 01-18-2015, 08:15 AM
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I ride an Aussie saddle and I love it. But just one question, are they really an "Aussie" saddle ? I know there are Aussie saddles that are (copies) made in India. I just bought a new one and it was right at a $1000.00 so you might want to check into it. Remember you get what you pay for. Also size Western I ride a 17" Aussie I ride a 21 Best of luck. Phil

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post #7 of 11 Old 01-18-2015, 09:09 AM
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what does "ride Aussie" mean? just ride in an Australian saddle, or will you also start posting and using a different type of bit and bridle?
That's a bit racist isn't it?? I was momentarily confused by 'ride Aussie' because that's like saying 'ride American' ~ you lot probably have just as many English riders, Western riders, no name brands... as us, so 'ride Aussie' is... ride however tickles your fancy!

But sorry to get... carried away OP. Saddles. We're talking saddles. Yes, I missed the part about not having a horse yet. Agree with others, that it's best to wait until you've got a horse, so you know what size he is. All you can know for sure till then is your seat size.

Stock saddles(what Aussies call your 'Aussie saddles') are built on a more English tree. They're shorter in tree length than Westerns(re seat size) & so can be much better for shorter backed horses. They were designed to be able to be used on a range of horses - stockmen would have a string of horses, so the horses weren't so overworked - but as with Westerns, that's not to say any saddle will fit any horse, by a long shot. But I do think Stock saddles are generally a bit more accommodating for horse fit adjustments than Westerns. Especially if they have an adjustable gullet.

For any saddle, for length, it should not interfere with the shoulderblades. It should leave them free by a couple of inches or so. The tree or weighbearing area should not extend back past the horse's last rib, onto the lumbar spine. The angle of the front of the saddle needs to match the shape of the horse. *In a changeable gullet saddle you can adjust that easily yourself, to fit more horses, or your horse's changing shape. The panels also should sit evenly against the horse, front to back and not too close to the spine - at least an inch either side. Stock & many English saddles, being well padded underneath, can usually be easily adjusted(reflocked) by a saddler to provide more even weightbearing & more spine clearance.

One thing about Stock saddles, that seems to be more common than not, I guess being that they were designed for security - stockmen to stick to their horses during hard bush riding, they do tend to be narrowish and have longer bars - sticks to the horse, but maybe at expense of pinching his shoulders. So on that note, I'd guess that if someone offers 'standard' and 'wide' in a saddle, the wide is more likely to fit more horses comfortably. You need to find out what those lables mean exactly tho, what's the actual angle of 'wide'? Unfortunately it's not universal among saddlers - like 'QH bars' doesn't mean the same in Westerns.
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Do not look for a saddle until you have the horse.
The saddle has to fit the individual horse and you will need to determine several factors in the shape of that horse's back.
In general ,from my limited experience when it comes to aussie saddles (I have looked at many and owned only two ) they have a lot of curve to the tree (front to back) and some are pretty narrow.
Mustangs vary widely in their back form , but from those I know they tend to have less curved backs so most Aussie saddles (and a lot of english saddles) may not fit because they will rock on the horse's back.
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post #9 of 11 Old 01-18-2015, 12:59 PM Thread Starter
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I think that is where I am confused. The Kimberlys are drop shipped from Downunder saddle co. Which I gather from reading around here is a good brand. I am 90% sure I am getting the TIP gelding as i was just in awe of him. I asked the trainer but she only has western style saddles and I know they fit diferently. I think I willl take the measurements when I see the horses again and send off to company to ask for the fit.
I guess that leaves the style in question. Since I have only ever rode a western saddle I am used to a horn. That being said I can get used to a hornless.
Oh and I meant no racism by saying ride aussie. I meant ride an aussie style saddle.
THanks all
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I have a Kimberley synthetic endurance (hornless) which I like. It was made by the Downunder Saddle company and as mentioned by other posters, it has an English style to it. I sent a wither tracing when I ordered the saddle to have the gullet adjusted accordingly (if you go to the Downunder website, by the way, there's instructions on how to do a wither tracing plus info on appropriate seat sizes for the rider). While I actually went through a Canadian dealer to get it ('cause that's where I am) it only took a few days to arrive. Therefore, wait until you've got your horse and do your measurements before you get the saddle. I had one specific horse in mind when I ordered it but I've found that not only does it fit her, it fits my other horses as well.
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