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post #11 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 11:03 AM
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Actually, I went and saw my current horse, liked what I saw, and paid with PayPal. Seller did not have to wait for my check to clear, and I didn't have to carry cash.
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post #12 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 11:08 AM
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Yep, don't buy sight unseen. I almost 12 months ago bought my TB sight unseen, I was a beginner when it came to buying horses and I was listening to someone I thought was experienced. Anyway when I got the horse he was skin and bones and it took 6 months to get him back to a proper weight. I was lucky hes a pretty decent horse and I don't regret that I had to spend a lot of time him getting him back to where he should have been in the first place and not being able to enjoy my first horse the way I should have.
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post #13 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 11:24 AM Thread Starter
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We offered PayPal, not them.

I will suggest to my mom to go and visit. We do have someone, a relative, who lives near where the Horse is located. I will suggest that he can go take a look possibly-Though we aren't too close with him.

It is risky- we know the risks.
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post #14 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 11:35 AM
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It is risky- we know the risks.
It is very very risky, do you know all the risks?

I have bought 3 horses sight unseen, and this will tell you that I am

A) Gullible
B) A slow learner

#1 saw lots of videos, pictures talked to the owners, they were great to work with. Mare turned up from 100 miles away, looked exactly as expected, loved her, thought I had done well. BUT, my experience level was not what she needed, still thank she was a good mare, BUT again, the person I eventually sold her too, has sold her again..very very pretty mare but very unpredictable at times. Call that one a partial success, red flag missed, the fact she was 8 years old and had seven registered owners in her life.

#2 Bought from a reputable (?) breeder, mare was not at all what I expected, right mare but her condition was horrible and her health suspect..lost her within the year, poor girl.

#3 Bought from a person I knew from online and thought I could trust, my want for the big pretty black horse overshadowed my good judgement, that is the horse that put me in hospital for a month

By contrast my trainer has found me two horses now, both appropriate for the stage I was at, bth never advertised, sold by word of mouth alone.

DO NOT but sight unseen

DO NOT buy without an experienced person with you.

I believe that you are a total beginner? Have I got that right, if so I REALLY suggest some lessons before you go shopping, then you will at least have an idea if the horse might work for you

“Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity”
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post #15 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 11:54 AM
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It is very very risky, do you know all the risks?

I have bought 3 horses sight unseen, and this will tell you that I am

A) Gullible
B) A slow learner

#1 saw lots of videos, pictures talked to the owners, they were great to work with. Mare turned up from 100 miles away, looked exactly as expected, loved her, thought I had done well. BUT, my experience level was not what she needed, still thank she was a good mare, BUT again, the person I eventually sold her too, has sold her again..very very pretty mare but very unpredictable at times. Call that one a partial success, red flag missed, the fact she was 8 years old and had seven registered owners in her life.

#2 Bought from a reputable (?) breeder, mare was not at all what I expected, right mare but her condition was horrible and her health suspect..lost her within the year, poor girl.

#3 Bought from a person I knew from online and thought I could trust, my want for the big pretty black horse overshadowed my good judgement, that is the horse that put me in hospital for a month

By contrast my trainer has found me two horses now, both appropriate for the stage I was at, bth never advertised, sold by word of mouth alone.

DO NOT but sight unseen

DO NOT buy without an experienced person with you.

I believe that you are a total beginner? Have I got that right, if so I REALLY suggest some lessons before you go shopping, then you will at least have an idea if the horse might work for you
Golden Horse has really good true examples. Sweetie, I commend you for being suspicious and posting here. Your gut feeling is right. If you don't have lots of experience, you need someone to help guide you through trying out and purchasing a horse. Watching it ridden or riding yourself for just 30 minutes in a small, familiar area will NOT give you an idea of what the horse is really like. I, too, have fallen victim to the "I really want a horse and here is one for sale right now" syndrome. Big mistake.
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post #16 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 03:05 PM
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The situations I've seen buying horses long distance and sight unseen work well in are when someone is purchasing a PROSPECT - a horse that couldn't be ridden anyways even if the prospective buyer were to visit - for example if the horse is still on the racetrack or the horse is a weanling/yearling. In these scenarios, people I know have had their vet recommend a vet in the horse's area for them and vetted the animal thoroughly - stopping immediately at the first sign of trouble as its quite difficult to investigate such things from afar compared to with a horse for sale just down the road. All the people I know who have been successful buying horses in this manner are VERY competent and experienced riders/horse people who would have been capable of riding/training just about anything so while they certainly hoped for an easy going temperament, a more difficult animal was not a deal breaker or even really an issue.

For a going riding animal for a less experienced rider, it makes so much more sense to buy one close enough that you can go try it at least once. Unless you live somewhere really remote, there are likely suitable options much closer to home although you may have to broaden your "requirements" a bit and consider older horses, less desirable (by the majority in your area) sizes, not as "pretty" (plainer colors, coarser head, more average conformation) to stay within your budget.
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post #17 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 03:16 PM
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I have not bought horses sight unseen (in the flesh ), but I sure have sold some that way, esp to Europe
No paypal, cashier cheques ect
I had a reputation as a breeder, so it was in my best interest to represent a horse fairly
You can also find some professional in that area, to look at the horse and ride him, and you can also arrange to have a vet check done by an independent equine vet, with that vet giving his findings directly to you and your vet
I worked with direct bank transfer of funds, buyer arranged shipping, and I provided a written signed transfer to buyer, along with original papers, soon as that money was deposited
There are correct ways to buy a horse without seeing him in person, but you have to know who you are dealing with, put everything in writing, and, have the option to have some professional in the area ride that horse, and have a PPE done
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post #18 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 03:34 PM
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Buying a horse sight unseen:

A reasonable risk for an experienced person buying an unbroken horse from a reputable breeder, who has a trusted experienced person there to vet the horse.

An unreasonable risk for an inexperienced person buying a horse purely because it's pretty, from someone they don't know, with no one they trust there to vet the horse.

I think what the OP is presenting is an unreasonable risk.

Just think about what could go wrong. Make a list! And let me say that getting ripped off in the purchase price would be the least of it.
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post #19 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 03:46 PM
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I too have bought many horses and ponies sought unseen and like Smile, sold many the same way.

I never sold anything like this that I hidden anything from the purchaser. I always said that I would take anything back, at their expense.
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post #20 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 04:15 PM Thread Starter
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It is very very risky, do you know all the risks?

I have bought 3 horses sight unseen, and this will tell you that I am

A) Gullible
B) A slow learner

#1 saw lots of videos, pictures talked to the owners, they were great to work with. Mare turned up from 100 miles away, looked exactly as expected, loved her, thought I had done well. BUT, my experience level was not what she needed, still thank she was a good mare, BUT again, the person I eventually sold her too, has sold her again..very very pretty mare but very unpredictable at times. Call that one a partial success, red flag missed, the fact she was 8 years old and had seven registered owners in her life.

#2 Bought from a reputable (?) breeder, mare was not at all what I expected, right mare but her condition was horrible and her health suspect..lost her within the year, poor girl.

#3 Bought from a person I knew from online and thought I could trust, my want for the big pretty black horse overshadowed my good judgement, that is the horse that put me in hospital for a month

By contrast my trainer has found me two horses now, both appropriate for the stage I was at, bth never advertised, sold by word of mouth alone.

DO NOT but sight unseen

DO NOT buy without an experienced person with you.

I believe that you are a total beginner? Have I got that right, if so I REALLY suggest some lessons before you go shopping, then you will at least have an idea if the horse might work for you
Luckily I am not a total beginner :) Ive got a pretty good seat. My mom had bought horses before- we have had 5 horses. I agree it isn't a good idea- but, since it is an Icelandic pony, they tend to be calm anyway. My mom said SHE will arrange transportation, and she will make sure there is a vet check signed, which makes me feel a lot better. We still don't have anything for sure.

Funny thing- I prayed that this will be the right horse. Ten minutes later the owner contacted me. If this is legit, it will be from heaven. The risk would be worth it. If not... well I am not sure. Luckily He (its a Gelding) is in our budget. If its not what we expect, we can still work with him, and resell.

I know, my signature makes it look like I am pure beginner. Haven't ridden in a while, but I have owned a horse. (She was a pure bratty Halflinger! lol)

Thanks so much for all your feedback!
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