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post #21 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 03:18 PM
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Buying unseen is something best left to the experienced person who can re-sell the horse if its not what they want
I might consider, for example, buying a horse from Europe, if I was able to use someone I knew and trusted as an agent for me to go and look at the horse to see if it really was 'what it said on the box' and arrange for a reputable independent vet to do a PPE before any cash changed hands
But even if all of that was done satisfactorily there's no saying that I personally would like the horse under saddle as much as my 'agent' did because we've all got different tastes and if you're just buying a horse to be a pleasure/hobby then something like that matters a lot
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My opinion - Don't do it
Using Paypal as a payment method I don't see as a problem but buying horses is always 'Buyer Beware' and you wouldn't be able to return the horse just because you didn't like it when it turned up
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OP, you sounded unsure of yourself in your first post. But in your second post, you claimed to "know the risks". If you knew all the risks, then why did you ask for advice in the first place? There's no problem with asking for help, but I guess I'm just confused as to why you're disregarding the advice of literally every single person who has replied on this thread.

Look. The fact of the matter is, there are lots and lots of people who LIE about the horses they're selling. There are some things that not even the seller may know, that only a vet would be able to tell. I once looked at a stunning 8-year old foundation QH whom the seller thought was perfectly healthy. After a vet checked him out, he told me that the horse had arthritis and would be unridable by age 12.

There's a lot more honesty when it comes to word of mouth, but the internet is where the scammers go to fish for stupid people. No offense, but it would straight up be stupid of you to buy this horse without knowing hardly anything about it, and with PayPal of all things.

But hey, it's ultimately your decision. Maybe you get ungodly lucky and end up with your dream horse. But as of right now, the probabilities are not stacked in your favor, my friend. Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong, but doubly so when it comes to horses.
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OP, you sounded unsure of yourself in your first post. But in your second post, you claimed to "know the risks". If you knew all the risks, then why did you ask for advice in the first place? There's no problem with asking for help, but I guess I'm just confused as to why you're disregarding the advice of literally every single person who has replied on this thread.

Look. The fact of the matter is, there are lots and lots of people who LIE about the horses they're selling. There are some things that not even the seller may know, that only a vet would be able to tell. I once looked at a stunning 8-year old foundation QH whom the seller thought was perfectly healthy. After a vet checked him out, he told me that the horse had arthritis and would be unridable by age 12.

There's a lot more honesty when it comes to word of mouth, but the internet is where the scammers go to fish for stupid people. No offense, but it would straight up be stupid of you to buy this horse without knowing hardly anything about it, and with PayPal of all things.

But hey, it's ultimately your decision. Maybe you get ungodly lucky and end up with your dream horse. But as of right now, the probabilities are not stacked in your favor, my friend. Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong, but doubly so when it comes to horses.
I have received new information since I made this post. Good thing though, we will have vet checks before purchase. My mom is going to make sure we can secure all we can for this.

My original question was, is it possible to press charges if it wasn't the horse described at all.
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Your original question was, "is it a scam?" Many responded to suggest there is a high probability of this being the case. Sounds like you didn't really want advice.

Edited: the original question is actually in the thread title.
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Buying unseen is something best left to the experienced person who can re-sell the horse if its not what they want
I might consider, for example, buying a horse from Europe, if I was able to use someone I knew and trusted as an agent for me to go and look at the horse to see if it really was 'what it said on the box' and arrange for a reputable independent vet to do a PPE before any cash changed hands
But even if all of that was done satisfactorily there's no saying that I personally would like the horse under saddle as much as my 'agent' did because we've all got different tastes and if you're just buying a horse to be a pleasure/hobby then something like that matters a lot
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My opinion - Don't do it
Using Paypal as a payment method I don't see as a problem but buying horses is always 'Buyer Beware' and you wouldn't be able to return the horse just because you didn't like it when it turned up
Yeah its a big problem. Good thing Icelandics are well wanted, not many of them are available where I am. I need to think about it... Pray about it really . Im really troubled. My mom is less worried about it to be honest. I wish I could just get a for sure answer!
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If you are set on buying sight unseen have a vet check done at the very least with flexion, over all health and X-rays. Then you know what you are getting into. Also lots of video of the horse.

I've bought sight unseen but always had a full vet check done first. I've had good experience with it but I'm also experienced in the horse world and been buying/selling for years.
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Your original question was, "what if this is all a scam." Many responded to suggest there is a high probability of this being the case. Sounds like you didn't really want advice.
Well ive taken your advice. So much I can do, you know? My mom is initially in head of it. I don't really wan't to start a fight. I have read every comment. Please don't jump to such conclusions.
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My original question was, is it possible to press charges if it wasn't the horse described at all.
Not likely.

Any time you buy an animal, you're buying it "as is." This means that whatever is wrong with it, it's your problem, not the seller's. Unless you have an extensive sale contract that says if the horse is not exactly as described in the ad when it arrives, you don't have a legal leg to stand on. And even if you do have that extensive sales contract, it's still just a piece of paper at the end of the day.

Buying livestock is not like buying a car. There are no real guarantees and it's always "buyer beware"...which is why everyone is saying it's such a bad idea.
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If you are set on buying sight unseen have a vet check done at the very least with flexion, over all health and X-rays. Then you know what you are getting into. Also lots of video of the horse.

I've bought sight unseen but always had a full vet check done first. I've had good experience with it but I'm also experienced in the horse world and been buying/selling for years.
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Thanks! I will tell my mom about a FULL vet-check. I did suggest to my mom if it isn't the right horse, I have a friend who rides very well that she may like, or resell.

The only issue now is coming to a conclusion. I now know, thanks to all the comments, what would happen if it was a scam.. Luckily we are in no rush so pondering has a lot of time to spare. Yikes.
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Well ive taken your advice. So much I can do, you know? My mom is initially in head of it. I don't really wan't to start a fight. I have read every comment. Please don't jump to such conclusions.
I'm glad you have. Too often I see people asking for advice and then arguing over every experienced opinion provided. If I assumed that's what was going on here and it's not the case, you have my heartfelt apology.

I hope you will share with your mother the things we've mentioned. I see another red flag in the "rare breed for your area" comment recently made, as rarity is another hook that scammers will use to draw someone in.

Also, maybe it's a good idea to run some of the pictures of this horse through Google image search. We do that in the dog world all the time to identify scammers on the internet.

https://www.google.com/imghp
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