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post #31 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 05:16 PM Thread Starter
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I'm glad you have. Too often I see people asking for advice and then arguing over every experienced opinion provided. If I assumed that's what was going on here and it's not the case, you have my heartfelt apology.

I hope you will share with your mother the things we've mentioned. I see another red flag in the "rare breed for your area" comment recently made, as rarity is another hook that scammers will use to draw someone in.

Also, maybe it's a good idea to run some of the pictures of this horse through Google image search. We do that in the dog world all the time to identify scammers on the internet.

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Yeah, we did the Google Search thing and didn't find anything suspicious. But we have come to a conclusion. We will not be purchasing the horse. Thanks for all of your feedback- such a beautiful horse, too. But we have decided to find a riding stable, and lease. A lot of this advice also came from my sister who is experienced. Hopefully I can get on a horse soon. All of our other horses at the moment aren't in proper shape for me. Leasing is a much better offer. Hopefully I will be in the saddle soon! Thanks to you guys and my sister haha.

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post #32 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 05:26 PM
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Yeah, we did the Google Search thing and didn't find anything suspicious. But we have come to a conclusion. We will not be purchasing the horse. Thanks for all of your feedback- such a beautiful horse, too. But we have decided to find a riding stable, and lease. A lot of this advice also came from my sister who is experienced. Hopefully I can get on a horse soon. All of our other horses at the moment aren't in proper shape for me. Leasing is a much better offer. Hopefully I will be in the saddle soon! Thanks to you guys and my sister haha.
Good luck with your leasing! I think you made a wise decision. Happy Thanksgiving!
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post #33 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 05:35 PM
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If you have other horses something you may want to consider is sending a suitable one away for training or work to get them ready for you. It would probably cost less than purchasing a new horse and it's a horse you already know.
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post #34 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 05:57 PM
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"Rare breed for the area" will also probably mean very hard to sell if you decide you don't like the horse.
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post #35 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 06:00 PM
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I'm glad the Op decided to rethink this and go with another option, but I just wanted to pipe in on the Paypal method. IF the horse had been misrepresented and you paid through Paypal as a "purchase", then you would have been protected.

Back when I first started riding again and got the fiery bug about purchasing a horse, I contacted a seller about an OTTB. Within 5 minutes of our conversation, she was acting like my bestfriend and like she had been selectively waiting for someone like me to purchase this horse. I let her convince me that a GREEN 3 yr old stallion OTTB was a great match for me (VERY GREEN) and I would be the envy of my barn because he sold for $90k as a yearling and I would be getting him for a steal at $2500. I knew nothing about the workings of yearling sales in the track world. She was quite the salesman for a newbie horse person, and I fell right into her trap and sent her the money through Paypal on her website.

After getting online and doing some research, I found out a TON of info that this woman was a scam artist and sold crazy, lame horses to unsuspecting people, two of which I spoke to personally. She'd changed her business name 5 times in the past 6 years to run from negative reviews. It wasn't until I searched HER name and not the business name that I was able to find everything. Looking even further, I found that many aspects of her website were fake or stolen pics and the address listed was for a shopping center in downtown Lexington.

With that said, it was Paypal that saved me. I immediately filed a dispute with Paypal and they yanked the money back out of her account and told her she had to respond to the dispute. She couldn't, of course, and instead threatened to sue me for breeching our sales contract. I invited her to try me since the horse was still in her possession. She knew she could not dispute the claims I provided Paypal and issued a prompt refund. If she had not issued the refund, Paypal would have done it for her.

If I had sent this woman a check or money order, I would have just been out of luck. So yes, buying a horse sight unseen without someone you trust that can vouch for the horse is waaay too risky. But Paypal, if you're going this route, is probably the safer way if things don't work out.

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I also just recently put a deposit down on my new horse through Paypal. It was my suggestion to the seller, of course, and I did see and ride the horse in person and get feedback from knowledgeable people before the purchase. Should the horse not pass PPE, the seller is easily able to refund the money back to me through Paypal.
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post #36 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 06:09 PM
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It does happen. Several years ago a friend bought a show pony unseen and what was sent to her was essentially a brumby. She never got a refund, the right pony or any satisfaction from the deal.

There are plenty of perfect ponies in your area.
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post #37 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 06:40 PM
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The only way I'd ever buy sight unseen would likely be if I was WANTING to get an old, stubborn, spooky, starved, foundered, unhealthy and hotheaded horse. Then I might consider it because, honestly, how much worse is it going to get? Then again, it could still turn out to be no horse at all... They'd even have to deliver, and then I'd pay after I got the horse. That is the ONLY way I'd EVER buy sight unseen.
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post #38 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 07:04 PM Thread Starter
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I'm glad the Op decided to rethink this and go with another option, but I just wanted to pipe in on the Paypal method. IF the horse had been misrepresented and you paid through Paypal as a "purchase", then you would have been protected.

Back when I first started riding again and got the fiery bug about purchasing a horse, I contacted a seller about an OTTB. Within 5 minutes of our conversation, she was acting like my bestfriend and like she had been selectively waiting for someone like me to purchase this horse. I let her convince me that a GREEN 3 yr old stallion OTTB was a great match for me (VERY GREEN) and I would be the envy of my barn because he sold for $90k as a yearling and I would be getting him for a steal at $2500. I knew nothing about the workings of yearling sales in the track world. She was quite the salesman for a newbie horse person, and I fell right into her trap and sent her the money through Paypal on her website.

After getting online and doing some research, I found out a TON of info that this woman was a scam artist and sold crazy, lame horses to unsuspecting people, two of which I spoke to personally. She'd changed her business name 5 times in the past 6 years to run from negative reviews. It wasn't until I searched HER name and not the business name that I was able to find everything. Looking even further, I found that many aspects of her website were fake or stolen pics and the address listed was for a shopping center in downtown Lexington.

With that said, it was Paypal that saved me. I immediately filed a dispute with Paypal and they yanked the money back out of her account and told her she had to respond to the dispute. She couldn't, of course, and instead threatened to sue me for breeching our sales contract. I invited her to try me since the horse was still in her possession. She knew she could not dispute the claims I provided Paypal and issued a prompt refund. If she had not issued the refund, Paypal would have done it for her.

If I had sent this woman a check or money order, I would have just been out of luck. So yes, buying a horse sight unseen without someone you trust that can vouch for the horse is waaay too risky. But Paypal, if you're going this route, is probably the safer way if things don't work out.

P.S.
I also just recently put a deposit down on my new horse through Paypal. It was my suggestion to the seller, of course, and I did see and ride the horse in person and get feedback from knowledgeable people before the purchase. Should the horse not pass PPE, the seller is easily able to refund the money back to me through Paypal.
That is EXACTLY why my mom had offered PayPal. I am very sad to decline the woman who owns the Horse, she is so nice and had been through so much (unless she was lying) but I feel it would be better to lease in my own town, not buy from states away... That was a sticky one.
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post #39 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 07:37 PM
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I have received new information since I made this post. Good thing though, we will have vet checks before purchase. My mom is going to make sure we can secure all we can for this.

My original question was, is it possible to press charges if it wasn't the horse described at all.
No. Beides, what charge would that be, exactly? You didn't get what you wanted?
Buyer beware.
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post #40 of 47 Old 11-26-2015, 07:50 PM
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