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post #11 of 56 Old 10-29-2015, 12:43 PM
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i can sort of indertstand her slapping his face when she thought he was about to bite her. I've done that. it's a very instinctual reaction. though I wouldn't do it in crazy rage.

slapping his face because he would not put it down fast enough for her is totally counter productive. this girl has it wrong. being firm with a horse in every single situation is not the answer, and she is not even being "firm", she is being childish. some people see a trainer get really firm with a hrose and think, "Oh, I am supposed to be like that any time the horse doesn't do what I want, I have to "show him who's boss". it makes people feel like big shots, but actually, they have very little sense of horses.

there are other, better ways to get a hrose to comply, especially with something like lowering his head, or taking the bit.

I'm afraid you are now needing to be firm, to her. tell her that you would rather have her explain things and let you do them, that while you getting to know the hrose, you wont be striking him except if he actually threatens your safety.
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel View Post
Then it's time to watch some youtube videos, my friend.

What discipline do you ride... western (saddle with horn) or english (saddle that has barely any extra padding) ?

Watch youtube videos on how to bridle a horse. Each discipline does it the same way except for the buckles, style of bridle, and keepers.

You need to be proactive and not rely on everyone else to do things for you, because that's how your horse starts getting out of hand.

Don't get me wrong, it's great to ask your instructor for help and guidance but you can do more. Bridling isn't rocket science, and I'm sure if you learn to do it...your horse will appreciate it over asking someone else that is overly and stupidly aggressive to do it instead.
So I've gotten down putting on the martingale, saddle, pad, doing up cinch, etc. I just hesitated at the bit because someone said if I do it wrong the horse will get bit shy. But I was shown up close by the head trainer exactly how to do it and I'm pretty sure I could do it better than this chick, so it's worth a try. You're right that the best option is making sure I'm the only one doing his tack for him to keep this from happening again. I think I will go in today and practice it with a trainer.
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post #13 of 56 Old 10-29-2015, 12:45 PM
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I personally disagree with TWalker. In my opinion, there is one proper time to hit a horse in the face and that's when the horse's face is the perpetrator. That being said the person handling this horse absolutely did not deal with the situation correctly.

If it were me I would have stayed absolutely quiet and calm, but would have popped him right on the nose - whether his biting was intentional or not. I do this whenever my horse feels like being testy and she always gives me the "omg why did you do that" eye but gets over it pretty quick. This is because I simply correct her then go about doing whatever it was I was doing before. I don't make a big deal about it, but at the same time she clearly understands that she is being reprimanded. Teeth on human skin, whether aggressive or not, is not okay.

My horse has never offered to be head shy because of this - in fact, none of my horses have. All of my horses, if anything, have been incredibly easy to halter and bridle, always. I might not be good at much else, but something I take pride in is my ability to train a horse to bit and bridle, and having to pop a horse on the snout once or twice has never affected this.
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post #14 of 56 Old 10-29-2015, 12:47 PM
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In the first instance, I would have slapped the horse. I don't allow a horse to reach for me with it's teeth. Reaching, mugging, nipping, and worse are the natural outcomes of using lots of treats. I disagree with the liberal use of treats, but I'll admit I've resorted to bribery more than once.

Slapping the horse in the second instance was counterproductive. Slapping, yelling, and yanking produce the opposite effect needed to solve a bridling problem. It seems there was not actually problem, only a request for help in doing it properly.

Seems to me this kid isn't as knowledgeable as folks are letting on. Especially if her first reaction is violence and anger.
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post #15 of 56 Old 10-29-2015, 01:09 PM
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I think she over reacted a bit in the first instance, the horse reaching out in hope of a treat. I understand why she did it, but it still sounds like she slapped a bit too hard and with too much emotion. A little bop on the nose was probably all that was warranted in that case from the sounds of it.

The bridling debacle was uncalled for! Sounds to me like emotions overtook her maturity and she needs to be spoken to about that. She may be extraordinarily knowledgeable, but it sounds like she lets her frustration and emotions get in her way.
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post #16 of 56 Old 10-29-2015, 01:35 PM
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Please go to your instructor and ask to pay for lessons on all of these things you feel no confidence doing. You should be properly trained in as many aspects of horse handling and ownership as possible. Then keep practicing (and don't worry about feeling like a klutz, we all had to start somewhere.) until you feel yourself gain confidence.

In the bridling situation, this know-it-all teenager could very well make your horse fearful and much harder to bridle. Make it clear that this girl is to never touch your horse again no matter who you have to go to. He depends on you for fair, trustworthy treatment and letting this girl ruin him will do nothing but cause you more problems in the future.
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post #17 of 56 Old 10-29-2015, 01:46 PM
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I'm baffled that anybody would think it's okay to just openly slap anybody else's horse without permission from that person or being in actual danger. I just think that's wildly inappropriate. I will be the first to give my own horse a well-deserved smack (though not in the face) but I respect that that's not how everybody does things. Not to mention, if someone else smacked my mare she would panic because she has a fear of strangers.

However, to the OP, I think it's totally understandable why you didn't say anything when it happened. It can be confusing when you're new, and I definitely understand that you don't want to be seen as the crazy over-protective horse momma.

Your horse sounds like a saint! I'm glad you found such a sweet guy to help you along. I hope that somebody will come along and explain to this girl that she needs to get her temper in check and learn about how to really train and work with a horse, rather than just rough-handling him into this and that.
In general, no matter the circumstance, a horse should NEVER be approached with anger or rage like she was doing. Sure people slip up sometimes especially if it's a dangerous behavior, but obviously this girl is consistently doing it, she's got an anger problem she needs to get in check if she's going to work around horses. With that behavior she could definitely make your sweet guy very afraid of bridling.

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post #18 of 56 Old 10-29-2015, 01:50 PM
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I am a new horse owner too, with a green horse so we are both learning. At my stable, I have been taught to flick their noses when they are looking for a treat. You know, just a little snap with your finger. And we don't feed any one else's horse. Over reacting does nothing for anyone. My horse did bite my sleeve when I was holding her while my friend was trying to get on her to ride her for me as I have been having problems with her being a little 4 year old head strong mare. I responded with a "Hey" and an open handed slap on the nose. I don't believe in anger or agression, but a correction that she understands. She knows not to bite the Mamma now. She just keeps coming up with more inventive ways to try to keep me from riding her. Mostly we just push back when she pushes, hold her head and nose when bridling, stuff like that. And we never quit, so she gets the message. Where your horse is not a brat like mine, I feel that the hitting and screaming was a complete over the top reaction and was uncalled for.
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post #19 of 56 Old 10-29-2015, 01:53 PM
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Your horse wasn't being aggressive, he wasn't going to nip her. You NEVER hit a horse in the face...ever. If someone ever hit my horse in the face they would be picking themselves up off the floor. I feed my horses treats by hand, my granddaughters do with my Quarter Horses and I do not have a horse who nips, bites, or goes after you. It is all in how you do it. Mine do not get treats every time I go into the barn or put them in, so they don't expect one, as it is at my discretion.

Again, as for the other scenario, there is usually never a need to be rough or rude or jerk and pull on a horse. I have worked with large and small horses, and I take my time, I talk to them and if they are acting up then I want to know why. If I am tacking a horse up, be it mine or one I exercise, you will NEVER see me jerk, shove, slap or yell/scream at one...there is really no reason.
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post #20 of 56 Old 10-29-2015, 02:10 PM
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She doesn't know anything about horses, you just think she does because she seems to "know" more than you do.

I have popped one on lips with fist, when trying to bite, and really trying to bite, open mouth and ears pinned biting..not a nibble or just lipping, which I don't allow to begin with. I have used the back of my hand to push/tap one away against their checkbone.

But SHE was out of line and does not need to be there either.
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