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post #11 of 21 Old 06-09-2017, 06:32 PM
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Ah, yeah, within the next 30 days. I'll talk to the vet when they come out then. They'd probably bundle the paperwork together with the coggins and that takes around a week with the vet's I've experienced.
Yes. The way my old vet in CA did it was, come out pull the Coggins and look at the horse. Then when he got the paperwork back on the Coggins, he'd date and sign the Health Cert, so I'd have max time on it.

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Brand inspection is done before you move, and any time you leave the state where you'll live, in addition to when you sell.

Besides being great proof of ownership, brand inspectors are good people to know. They are often a clearinghouse of information on a locale. They know where the best hay is, often when the fun events are, who to avoid for anything, which vets have the most satisfied customers...

When I travel I always make sure to meet them if I'm going to be in the country for more than a few days.
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On the bedding: I'm with Dreamcatcher. Big, BIG fan of pellets. They might seem more expensive, but they last SO much longer. So really, cheaper than shavings in my experience, because you only need to take out what's soiled, like cat litter.

I thought they might be a problem in the winter too, because they might freeze, but nope. I won't use anything else.
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Unfortunately the location we're looking at currently doesn't have any runs or paddocks available ( they're all leased out ) so the horses will be stalled all the time unless we have them out with us in the round pen (no more than 30 minutes per horse)
Can't answer the q's you asked, but I wouldn't keep a horse in that situation in a pink fit. I wouldn't have time to take them out for enough daily exercise to keep them healthy & sound, aside from not believing it reasonable to keep an open roaming, herd animal in a box in solitary confinement, even if it were OK health-wise.

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My foal and the yearling are still learning to be handled although the yearling's much further along and calmer about it) so everyone's going to be stuck in stalls for a serious portion of their day's/night's
At least if an animal has matured in a healthy environment, with enough exercise to develop strong bones & hooves... but to keep babies cooped up, is only setting them up to grow up as weak individuals. Unless of course you can afford the time for hours of walking them daily. Not to mention lack of social skills from being kept in solitary confinement.
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Brand Inspections are easy and usually not expensive. If you are moving from a state that does not do brand inspections you just need to get it done when you get to Utah. Utah charges $15 for an annual permit or $25 for a lifetime.


I went through the same thing with Wyoming, California doesn't do equine brand inspections, but Wyoming requires them if you a transporting horses (was a $500 fine for every horse in your trailer that didn't have one). I just called up and let the brand inspector know when I was arriving and he met me at the ranch, cost me $18 per lifetime inspection and only took about 30 min.

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Unfortunately the location we're looking at currently doesn't have any runs or paddocks available ( they're all leased out ) so the horses will be stalled all the time unless we have them out with us in the round pen (no more than 30 minutes per horse) or in the arena (if the arena's are available for open riding and no one else is riding. My foal and the yearling are still learning to be handled although the yearling's much further along and calmer about it) so everyone's going to be stuck in stalls for a serious portion of their day's/night's until I can get my hands on one of the paddocks or runs to let them out in. It's not a problem for my mare who's been there-done that and doesn't care as long as she gets to see everyone and everything around her, but the younger two are going to be an adventure for sure!

The stalls are outdoor so I'll have to check on the weather and all and see what we're looking at. I'm trying to budget everything so we know what we absolutely must buy now versus later. (like blankets, they can be picked up later for everyone). But we'll for sure need winter blankets for them. We're going to SLC and as far as I know it gets rather cold there.
Somehow I missed this until Loosie picked up on it. So you're saying your horses are going to be stalled 24/7? Except for the occasional 30 min. of exercise when you can find time and the pen or indoor are available? No way I would keep horses that way. Sorry, but to me, that's just torture for any horse, but ESPECIALLY for young ones! Great way for them to develop vices. I also don't understand this "outdoor" stall thing. Are you saying they will be exposed to the elements without any shelter on TOP of being shut in? I'm confused, perhaps, and misunderstanding this setup.

Can you at least buy some step-in posts and put up an electric fence? It's not hard to set up a small area, even for someone who's never done it before (lots of instructions and tutorials online). Don't leave them in there unsupervised if they're not used to electric fencing, but at least they can get out and stretch their legs while you clean out their stalls, do chores, etc.
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post #17 of 21 Old 06-13-2017, 02:24 PM Thread Starter
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Probably for about a month. We're moving on limited funds from Oklahoma to Utah so I don't exactly have $400 per horse for pasture board ( which is quite all I'm finding in the area we're moving to at the moment ) & I'm not finding over-night locations that are close enough to where we'll be for me to justify putting the horses there for a week or two while getting a permanent board location arranged. I understand both of your concerns on this, but I'm not asking for advice on whether or not I should keep them in a stall-board situation. I already know it's not the best option in the world, but the only other option is to sell them, which I don't agree with selling an animal/ re-homing an animal just because I'm moving. At the moment the location is a county/state owned stable ( it's the fairgrounds ) and they give options for leaving at any time during your boarding contract on 2 weeks notice as well as the option to change to the paddocks/runs when they open up/are available; so for now it is my only option.

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Can you at least buy some step-in posts and put up an electric fence? It's not hard to set up a small area, even for someone who's never done it before (lots of instructions and tutorials online). Don't leave them in there unsupervised if they're not used to electric fencing, but at least they can get out and stretch their legs while you clean out their stalls, do chores, etc.
No I cannot. I did clearly explain in my original post that this was a county fairgrounds location. I won't have permission to make alterations to the property, nor will I be able to leave my horses anywhere, unattended, except their stalls. I do not have property to put them on myself otherwise all of this would not be necessary and I would not be asking advice on stall bedding.

As for an outdoor stall; that I can answer. I was at a location with outdoor stalls at one point. They're a lot less covered than the one's I'm currently looking at (but again, there are indoor options for the location I'm looking at as well; and again this entire thread was not about whether or not the location I can afford at this moment was the best option) Outdoor stalls tend to look like these(top right corner). Now, this example is not the best because it is less covered from the elements, but it's also in a south-western state where the weather is either Hot, or Warm and the wind typically comes from the other side of the building. An outdoor stall is just a stall/ row of stalls installed on the outer wall of the barn so instead of being closed off from the world when doors to the barn get shut, they're still out there and depending on the weather of the barn location is what kind of protection from the elements they get. The one's I'm looking at are almost fully covered from the elements, and since I plan on this being temporary I'm not terribly concerned about them being in outdoor stalls. It'll be less frightening for a foal who's never been in a stable before than if I was leading them down a paved, echoing corridor indoors.

I really just need help with bedding options/costs and Brand Inspection advice.

That being said;
I'm unable to track down where I go/ who to call in my home state ( Oklahoma ) for brand inspections and the three vet's I have tried calling all said they don't know who I contact either. So I'm not sure, now, what to do about getting a BI done before moving the horses to Utah.
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Brand Inspections are easy and usually not expensive. If you are moving from a state that does not do brand inspections you just need to get it done when you get to Utah. Utah charges $15 for an annual permit or $25 for a lifetime.


I went through the same thing with Wyoming, California doesn't do equine brand inspections, but Wyoming requires them if you a transporting horses (was a $500 fine for every horse in your trailer that didn't have one). I just called up and let the brand inspector know when I was arriving and he met me at the ranch, cost me $18 per lifetime inspection and only took about 30 min.
Thank you. I'll give the Brand Inspector in the area we're going to a call a day or two before we move the horses to set up the time we'll be arriving with them and get it done that way then. In the mean time I'll continue looking around my state to see if I can't track down a way to get this done here first.
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I am pretty sure Oklahoma does not require brand inspections so that is not a service you will find there. I didn't find anything on brand inspections when I hauled through there a couple years ago and just looking at the brand laws for OK online, they all seem to pertain to registering your brand if you are going to use it and having to provide a bill of sale for any livestock that is branded. I can't find anything on equine brand inspections, it states "cattle inspectors".

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yeah, that's about what I've been finding as well. So when we know-for-sure the date(s) that we'll be moving everything I'll give the UT Brand Inspector that call.
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