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post #1 of 18 Old 04-07-2016, 04:36 PM Thread Starter
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Standing Patiently - how long does it take?

So, my new mare (Had her about 2 months) is proving to be a great fit for me, but I've found something I definitely need to work on. She has good manners, leads well, isn't pushy (except as described below), was started well, had really good training from an old-timer that laid a great foundation, and then was used for barrels (flunked out of that due to not enough "fire"), and then used as trail horse since then. She's NOT the nervous type, rarely spooks, and when she does she spooks in place (I've only experienced it twice). She's 12, and has been fairly consistently used, and was even loaned to a friend of the owners to be used at a small Colorado dude ranch for a summer. So, I have every reason to believe she knows how to stand quietly and just needs a refresher course.

Anyway, with the great weather I've been tying her outside the past few times, and she's been a pill. It's minor jigging when I'm close. Some pawing and swinging from side to side while left standing. Nothing aggressive and no huge movements... no big pulling back or scary drama, but it needs to stop. Now. I'm on a mission.

The BO is going to help me by tying her while she's there. I'll go when I can and reinforce it as well. With her history, what type of a timeline am I likely on? If she can only be tied for 2 or 3 hours at a time will that be enough?

I'm a mid-lifer finally making time for horses... Having a blast, but there's soooo much to learn -
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The BO is going to help me by tying her while she's there. I'll go when I can and reinforce it as well. With her history, what type of a timeline am I likely on? If she can only be tied for 2 or 3 hours at a time will that be enough?
Probably, but you really don't know, that is the challenge of working with horses, they work on their own time lines and not yours....

Fergie was a fidget when we first got her, and I only have time to tie her up for a couple of hours at a time, but she has got a lot better, just needed to settle into the new place, and relearn some patience

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What Golden said.

I cannot remember which great horsemen (maybe Ray Hunt) said, "it will take the time it takes".

So very true.
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^^^Tom Dorrance "It takes as long as it takes" (Ray Hunt was his protégé)

He also said "Sometimes, going slow is the fastest way to get there."

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Yep, when you're working with horses you're on their time, not yours. I had a very impatient friend who needed to be reminded frequently, "You're on Horse Time now, not People Time. It takes what it takes.". It's nice if you can put her on the Patience Pole for several hours at a time but the main thing I'd look for would be a break in the fussing. If you can catch her when she quits fussing, just for a minute or two and can untie her and let her go where she wants, that's her release. Eventually, she'll clue in that when she stands like a good girl, she'll get let go and when she's fussing, you won't untie her.
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^^^Tom Dorrance "It takes as long as it takes" (Ray Hunt was his protégé)

He also said "Sometimes, going slow is the fastest way to get there."
I was debating with myself in my hotel room whether it was one of the Dorrance brothers, or Ray Hunt!
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post #7 of 18 Old 04-07-2016, 10:42 PM
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but, wasn't it Bill Dorrance that wrote the book, "Horsemanship through Feel", with Leslie Desmond? that book has had a huge influence.
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Correct Tiny and his brother Tom (B. 1910) wrote “True Unity, Willing Communication Between Horse and Human“. They were both real horseman in the Vaquero tradition, so sometimes you really have to stop and think about what they are saying, more so Tom I think than Bill. They shared a lot of the same experiences and thoughts.

True Unity is one of those books that your read the first time and come away with a lot of questions and not quite sure what he is saying in some parts. Then a while later, you read it again and find yourself okay NOW I get it! Then you come back and read it again after working with a horse for a while and you have an even deeper understanding....kind of cool.
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I'll have to pick up those books - sound like good reads.

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Yep, when you're working with horses you're on their time, not yours.
.... the main thing I'd look for would be a break in the fussing. If you can catch her when she quits fussing, just for a minute or two and can untie her and let her go where she wants, that's her release. Eventually, she'll clue in that when she stands like a good girl, she'll get let go and when she's fussing, you won't untie her.
Horse time - OK got it. She did quit fussing for a minute or two, and would stand and stare at me (I was sitting in a chair reading and watching the BO's little boy play). I just ignored her. Maybe should have released.

I also realized we had just switched her from 2x a day feeding a few days ago to evening only (since there's plenty of grass in her pasture now, as well as hay still). She was probably hungry and cranky on top of it all, so I wasn't exactly setting her up for success. We're back to 2x but smaller feedings, so can remove that variable and see.

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I have both in my library. I believe the books are more a philosophy than a 'training manual'. In other words if a person is looking for step by step instruction they will not find it in either book. However, if a person is looking for a different way, and are willing to chew and mull over what is written, a person will have a 'training manual.

I love the passage Buck wrote for the forward in Bill Dorrence's book. He thought he new the problem, but come to realize he was totally wrong.

A person can learn a LOT from that alone.
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