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post #11 of 18 Old 04-08-2016, 08:44 AM
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I'll have to pick up those books - sound like good reads.



Horse time - OK got it. She did quit fussing for a minute or two, and would stand and stare at me (I was sitting in a chair reading and watching the BO's little boy play). I just ignored her. Maybe should have released.

I also realized we had just switched her from 2x a day feeding a few days ago to evening only (since there's plenty of grass in her pasture now, as well as hay still). She was probably hungry and cranky on top of it all, so I wasn't exactly setting her up for success. We're back to 2x but smaller feedings, so can remove that variable and see.
Yes, at the time she quit fussing, it would be good to untie her and either let her go back to the herd or hand graze her for a while (few minutes) and then tie again and see if she'll stand quietly. If not, rinse and repeat.

Horses are suspicious creatures and anytime there is change, they will fuss because change does not = good in their books. So feed 2X/day down to 1/day = not good, maybe starvation is coming. The idea of 2 smaller meals/day thus taking advantage of the new spring grass and keeping the 2X/day she's used to should help.

Some horses are just not patient by nature and have to be taught.
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[QUOTE=sarahfromsc;8880241]I have both in my library. I believe the books are more a philosophy than a 'training manual'. In other words if a person is looking for step by step instruction they will not find it in either book. QUOTE]

I wish I could like this twice. Their way was a way of facilitating partnership with humans and horses through opening lines of communication and understanding much more so than any kind of training manual like you get from modern trainers. They kind of leave you to chew on things for yourself and trust that you will come to it as you grow as a horseperson to see the big picture.
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I have several 'training' type books (CA, Lyons, etc), but I enjoy the philosophy reads as well. I'm enjoying all the aspects of my new hobby and I'm a sponge. As much as I don't know, when I look back to a year ago it's astounding where I am now - so that's pretty satisfying. I learn more from this forum, I think, than from the books! (I have mentors and hands-on help also of course).
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Horses are also creatures of routine. I know my horses line up at their "spots" in the pasture and just wait for me to feed when the sun has just brushed the top of one of the western ridges. Doesn't matter if that is in December or July, which can be a four hour time difference.

Ghost has his specific routine too. He waits for everyone to be fed, then pees, then nickers, then heads over to where he gets his food. Every single time. If I change that up such as feeding him in the corral first, he gets all out of whack.
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2 or 3 hours should be perfect! Dusty will stand all day naturally but she's only every died up for hour, hour and a half at most. I find it helps if you give them attention as you walk past every time doing your jobs.

Also try making it a positive experience for her, groom her tied up, feed her her bucket of feed, give her a small haynet whilst doing her jobs, or even just stand next to her and give her a good scratch in all of her itchy places. All of this worked with Dusty so good luck!!! x
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In case anyone was following. As a novice, I always like to read followups.

Once again I seem to have overreacted - I need to learn to trust my horse more. I'm just always on watch for things that could be big issues (I'm a little gun-shy after my first horse experience).

Anyway, she's been tying well. A little jigging, but it isn't taking much to dial that down. I think we just had a bad morning - just too many moving parts. I do need to work with the jigging while saddling, but it's usually not too bad so should be easily correctable. Saturday I actually saddled her untied, and she seemed to like that (obviously that's not always practical to do). Just stood there for me - tried once to step off, but a quick verbal made her stop. She's a very good girl, and I just need to give her more credit. Every time I've encountered a slight problem (I've posted several on the forum), as soon as I apply some of your suggestions we work right through it and it's a non-issue. She's a great horse for me to learn with - has enough of a mind of her own that she makes me think, but she responds quickly when I do the right thing, and she has a solidly ingrained base of training that she falls back on. Thanks everyone for helping me along on this journey.
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I have the same issue with my young horse. I let it go too long, too -- I get too focused on just getting through the grooming or tacking up or whatever and don't take the time.

An alternative to the patience pole -- or maybe an adjunct to it -- is to simply put her back where she was every time she moves. This is working for my horse, who can fuss whenever she has to stand still. It takes patience too! But she seems to get it, especially if I never up the ante or get irritated, and correct every.single.movement.

Clicker training would also be something to try.
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I have the same issue with my young horse. I let it go too long, too -- I get too focused on just getting through the grooming or tacking up or whatever and don't take the time.

An alternative to the patience pole -- or maybe an adjunct to it -- is to simply put her back where she was every time she moves. This is working for my horse, who can fuss whenever she has to stand still. It takes patience too! But she seems to get it, especially if I never up the ante or get irritated, and correct every.single.movement.

Clicker training would also be something to try.
Yes, the putting her back where I want her has been a recurring theme, so I'm starting to work with that method. It's easier for me when she isn't tied, because when tied it's her rear that moves around, and I can't quickly get it back where 'it' was. When loose, she understands moving the front and hind separately and responds quickly... can't explain it but it's a combination of holding the lead and body language. I'm just learning to do this dance....

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