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post #11 of 21 Old 10-03-2017, 11:04 AM
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The horses have not seen a vet, or had their feet or teeth done. There is literally no where for the vet to safely examine them. There are 2 shelters but no barns or anything else. We tried to halter the horses today but only 3 would allow it. I am going to guess those were the 3 horses that have previously been ridden. I discovered a cut/abrasion and bad swelling on one of the mares front legs today, so told my friend to call the vet ASAP to get her looked at as the wound is pussing and is hot. I know that means infection, and could be really bad if it's not looked at quickly.
The fences are in desperate need of repair, and that is difficult to do when you are trying to contain 6 horses. I think he is coming to the realization that he really needs to part with these horses, get the new fences built, and at least a barn with a couple of stalls before he looks to introduce new horses into his life.

Maybe he should get some help from a local horse pro/trainer to catch and evaluate the horses he has. A vet needs to check them over, a farrier needs to trim hooves and a knowledgeable person needs to figure out what each horse possibly has had in the way of training. A trainer can also give him good advice as to what would serve him best as far as a boarding facility.
There is a lot to learn as far as keeping one's own horses safe and healthy before taking on the task of boarding others...and the "other's" owners.
I wish him the best. Sounds like the possibility of a nice facility!
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post #12 of 21 Old 10-03-2017, 11:17 AM
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-How many horses can reasonably be kept on 25 acres of property? (I always thought the rule of thumb was 1 acre/horse)
How many acres you need will depend on your area and what you plan on doing.

Looks like you live in Canada. Of course, he is going to need to feed the horses hay during the winter months.

And it's going to depend on the weather. I live in North Dakota and we were having a horrible drought year this year. Where I board, my 2 horses and 1 other were in a pasture that is about 30 acres. Had we not gotten some rain finally in July, the 30-acre pasture would not have lasted for 3 horses.

So that "rule of thumb" is pretty flawed, because it does not take a lot of things into account.

If the horses are going to be out on pasture 24/7, I would say a minimum of 3 to 4 acres per horse on a good year with adequate rainfall.

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-What does a person who is new to horses, need to know about keeping them healthy and sound without a barn. He has done nothing but leave these horses in the field and bring in hay in winter for the past 2 years and they all seem sound and look incredible healthy without being overweight.
My horses live outside 24/7. They are healthy and do not need to go into a barn.

As long as they have windbreak, food, and water, most horses winter just fine.

Of course, if you an aged horse or one with health problems, they may need blanketing to stay warm enough in the winter, if they cannot go inside a barn. It just depends on the horse.


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-Things to consider about building a brand new barn/stable and indoor area. Do we want the arena attached to the barn or separate. He knows all about building codes and proper structures, so that part is okay, it's the horsey stuff he doesn't know about.
I would say to have the buildings separate, just for the simple problem of DUST in the indoor arena. You'll have less dust traveling into your barn if they are separate structures.

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-He plans to fence the entire 25 acre perimeter with galvanized steel chain link fencing so that he can keep out coyotes and other random critters as well as keep his dogs contained and safe on the property. Is chain link safe and okay for horses? He plans to use wood fencing for inside the perimeter to separate paddocks etc.
Sounds expensive. 25 acres of chain link fence?

And you're naive if you think chain link is going to keep wild animals out. It won't. Even the dogs can dig a hole under and squeeze in/out. So will other animals. Or some will just climb over.

I would not have him waste money on chain link.

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The fences are in desperate need of repair, and that is difficult to do when you are trying to contain 6 horses. I think he is coming to the realization that he really needs to part with these horses, get the new fences built, and at least a barn with a couple of stalls before he looks to introduce new horses into his life.
Absolutely. He needs to take care of the 6 horses he currently has (sounds like they are to be sold?) before he brings on any more. And of course, get the fence in order.

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post #13 of 21 Old 10-03-2017, 11:39 AM
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An Acer per horse is usually a by law rule as to how many. I have 2 and 1\2 horses on 2.5 acer but I supplement with hay and section off 3 areas and with a sacrifice area for muddy seasons, Its constant maintenance and I'm still working on getting good pasture grass. the plan was one horse and a mini but I inherited an older girl because I'm a softy. What I'm getting at is 2 acers per horse is good 3 or 4 is better but if you maintain the pasture properly it could work with say 8 horses 10 would be pushing it and 12 would be in my situation lol I looked up pasture maintenance for horses on You Tube lots of info there. Just curious, what are you going to do with the horses on the property now ? has any one caught them to see how they are, Training or health wise ? A herd of horses out in a pasture can be deceiving, they may look healthy but when you get up close its a different story. I wouldn't be putting more in with them until the existing herd are cleared sound.

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post #14 of 21 Old 10-03-2017, 01:00 PM Thread Starter
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Those commenting about the cost of the chain link fence, that isn't an issue for him as he already has a whack of chain link fencing that he plans to use that is already paid for. If it's truly a safety issue to chain link his perimeter, I will advise him against it, but it IS the most cost efficient for him at this time since he already has it. He does plan to put up wooden fencing on the inside of the perimeter to separate the paddocks.

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Just curious, what are you going to do with the horses on the property now ? has any one caught them to see how they are, Training or health wise ? A herd of horses out in a pasture can be deceiving, they may look healthy but when you get up close its a different story. I wouldn't be putting more in with them until the existing herd are cleared sound.
He is considering selling them to a horse friend who has expressed some interest. They are a beautiful lot of horses. I was able to get halters on 3 of the horses yesterday and lead those 3 around the paddock. The others wouldn't let me put the halter over their ears. I am able to stand and groom those horses without issue but nothing else. He was told 3 were riding horses and 3 were not. I think I found the riding horses yesterday :) Though they haven't been ridden in at least 18 months, so essentially, not likely rideable at this point, plus they all need their feet and teeth done.
I discovered a bad cut and infection on one of the horses yesterday so we called the vet to come out and have a look. Hoping he can give the herd a once over while he is there, or we will book him to do that shortly.
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post #15 of 21 Old 10-06-2017, 10:56 AM
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Smaller horse along with two others kept in a neighbor's backyard as she could not afford to put up a pasture/perimeter fence, fence that had been stretched by others leaning over or scratching butts, larger holes where others had pawed, wires came untwisted and instead of facing down into fence were poking out, top rail broke and small horse was not only tangled in the fence with two hooves through larger holes but had several deep cuts and impaled with broken top rail. No one knows how long the horse was caught but almost dead when we found her.
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Smaller horse along with two others kept in a neighbor's backyard as she could not afford to put up a pasture/perimeter fence, fence that had been stretched by others leaning over or scratching butts, larger holes where others had pawed, wires came untwisted and instead of facing down into fence were poking out, top rail broke and small horse was not only tangled in the fence with two hooves through larger holes but had several deep cuts and impaled with broken top rail. No one knows how long the horse was caught but almost dead when we found her.
Oh my gosh! That is horrible!!!


So we sold 4 of the horses (plus 2 llamas he had also) yesterday and decided to keep the 2 horses we felt were mostly likely to be rideable, yesterday. He is planning to buy 2 modular stalls to put in one of the shelters on the property. We dewormed the 2 left yesterday, got them set up with tack and lunged them a wee bit. It all went very well overall :)

He still plans to chain link the perimeter but wood fence the inside of the perimeter to separate paddocks etc.

All your feedback has been very helpful!
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post #17 of 21 Old 10-06-2017, 09:11 PM
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Oh my gosh! That is horrible!!!


So we sold 4 of the horses (plus 2 llamas he had also) yesterday and decided to keep the 2 horses we felt were mostly likely to be rideable, yesterday. He is planning to buy 2 modular stalls to put in one of the shelters on the property. We dewormed the 2 left yesterday, got them set up with tack and lunged them a wee bit. It all went very well overall :)

He still plans to chain link the perimeter but wood fence the inside of the perimeter to separate paddocks etc.

All your feedback has been very helpful!
He might also use electric fencing pushed away from the chain link, or to divide up individual paddocks. Wood fences will get pushed on, but horses learn pretty quickly to stay away from a single strand of electric fence!

Sounds like your friend is pretty realistic about having horses that are potentially rideable. That's good!

Are there plans to build a barn?
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post #18 of 21 Old 10-07-2017, 12:55 PM Thread Starter
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Are there plans to build a barn?

Yes! And indoor arena! It's booked for next August. That's as soon as the builder was available for a job that large. He is looking to buy some modular stalls right now to get us through until then.




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post #19 of 21 Old 10-08-2017, 10:54 AM
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Yes! And indoor arena! It's booked for next August. That's as soon as the builder was available for a job that large. He is looking to buy some modular stalls right now to get us through until then.




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Nice! That would definitely be a huge plus for boarders. Though in the end, I always chose the barn with the best care regardless of amenities. Space, or lack thereof, was always among my top concerns. Crowded paddocks are the worst.
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Nice! That would definitely be a huge plus for boarders. Though in the end, I always chose the barn with the best care regardless of amenities. Space, or lack thereof, was always among my top concerns. Crowded paddocks are the worst.
Agreed :) That will be the part I plan to help with....the care and upkeep :) I will no doubt be turning to this forum for help in that area to be sure we are offering the best care possible. I truly love the animals, and want to offer the best we can :)
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