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post #31 of 61 Old 06-17-2014, 11:12 AM
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GH do ur pot holes destroy the suspension on 4x4s then? Some of the ones round here do!
Last week a friend of mine shrewd a wheel but off his jcb due to a pot holey road
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LOL, I just googled potholes in SK, but can't pick just one to show you https://www.google.ca/search?q=potho...h=588&dpr=1.25 Yes ours are worse in quantity and quality than any I have seen in the UK, remember our roads are frozen for 6 months of the year, then we have spring melt, and the dreaded frost heave, which breaks the pavement (road surface) and is craters. The crews then spend the summer trying to catch up on the repairs until freeze up returns. But that is only on the tarmac anything that the UK would call a B road, and on down the country lanes are gravel and dirt roads, and they all have their own issues, I can;t imagine that it is a pleasant ride for the horses, though we do the best we can to chose the best roads. To be fair the main highways are kept in fairly good order, but it is a constant battle for the crews.

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post #32 of 61 Old 06-17-2014, 11:22 AM
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Cut the kid some slack. It's not her fault. She just bought the horse and would have been stressed enough.

The people she bought it from did not train properly for loading. Hopefully they are doing some loading training now, and not at her expense. Also, some of those English horse boxes have HUGE steep ramps, not like stepping into a North American bumper pull.

I had an Arab who didn't like to trailer. We once had to tranq him to get him loaded. Then I discovered he didn't like small enclosed front load horse trailers, but he liked open stock type just fine.

Good luck with your new pony and I hope you can get him moved soon!
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post #33 of 61 Old 06-17-2014, 12:15 PM
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My very first horse, an Arabian gelding, didn't like to load into 2 horse, straight load trailers (I later discovered he was fine with stock and slant trailers that were more open).

Anyway, luckily the old owners gave me an important tip, use a butt-rope and he would load right up. It's not painful, not frightening, it just puts pressure on the horse until he feels he has no place to go but forward into the trailer.

So anyway, I didn't own a trailer and we were moving some years later and I paid this guy to haul my horse to our new home.

I told him the horse was funny about loading but if we put a butt-rope on him he would load right up. So the guy was cocky like "I can teach any horse to load without a but rope. Give me a lunge whip." Okay, gave him a lunge whip where he proceeded to go after the gelding's rear heels.

The horse took to kicking at the whip and he gave ME a dirty look. I said "let's just put a butt-rope on him." The guy was a little peeved at that point (or maybe he just couldn't bring himself to use a butt-rope?) because we ended up locking arms behind the horse and he loaded right up.

Anyway, that is just a story from my first-horse days. Also, a butt-rope is a good thing to try. Not all horses may respond to it, but it's not scary or painful. And it can really work on some horses. So it's worth a try.

It's like the horse knew that the gig was up with the butt-rope and cut out all the shenanigans, to the point that locking arms behind him made load right up.


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post #34 of 61 Old 06-17-2014, 12:25 PM
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don't forget the popular tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap on the bum with a lunging whip.
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Oh and believe me FH, while the UK has the prize for twisty roads and cambers, your pot holes are BABIES compared to Saskatchewan
After all the torrential rain last winter, some of the pot holes are more like bomb craters!
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post #36 of 61 Old 06-17-2014, 01:51 PM
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There is a HUGE difference between asking a horse to load in a stock trailer (the most inviting type of trailer)



And asking a poorly trained horse to accept getting into one of these.




Even my seasoned event horses who spent a lot of time in regular trailers might balk the first time being asked to load on transports on their first cross country transport. Even getting them on container stalls for airplanes was easier that the tractor trailers.

I bought a horse who was not well trained to trailers, it turned out. I had to borrow a stock trailer and get a vet with DRUGS to load her and get her home. Here she is getting her drugged butt off the trailer at home.



Once home she got her training. Sometimes you just need to be prepared for anything, including a horse who simply will not load. I had a horse who was tired and cranky after a day foxhunting and WOULD NOT load. And, she was normally a good loader. I left her there in a paddock and came back the next day when she was in a better mood and wanted to go home.

OP, this was a learning experience. When dealing with a poorly trained horse, as it seems you were aware of, then maybe having either time to train first or a vet might have been options. Sadly, even a horse who would jump on a small trailer might not get on a bigger transport rig without problems.
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None of those are common in the UK. Our horse trailers always have a ramp and even the most luxurious usually only carry two horses.
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post #38 of 61 Old 06-17-2014, 02:03 PM
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You see that is the issue, to me there is no reason to believe that any horse won't load if it hasn't had issues before, whatever sort of ramp, step or any other way of getting on. I always expect that they WILL load, at the same time I wear leather boots, leather gloves, and maybe a hat, because we are dealing with horses and as Allison has pointed out even the most seasoned loader can have an off day.

I guess I am in a minority here, but if I am picking up a horse I don't hand over the cash until the previous owner has loaded the horse, until they are on my trailer, not my horse!

I have no issue with using a chain or a pressure halter if needed, never heard of flapping rugs, usually it is a broom or a whip behind. I would be happier if I knew that the professionals hired to do the job started with pressure and release, maybe a butt rope, all those tried and tested things where if you don't rush a horse will just pop on.

IDK, I will bow out having had my say, but can anyone tell me where the op said that she didn't warn the shippers that this was a youngster, that is my one and only issue with this thread, the attacking of the OP, all on folks assumptions of what she told the haulier.

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I have had more than one horse that was a problematic loader.
The highest in my reckoning would have been a true heavyweight cob Murphy. Only 14.3 he was as strong as an ox and knew his own strength.
He would load in a trailer on his own when it was in the field and even use the trailer as a shelter from flies, try to load him elsewhere and you might just as well be banging your head on a brick wall.
Murphy was not a nasty horse by any means until it came to loading and then, when strong arm tactics were used his attitude changed to "Bring it on!" And he would fight to win, even when he was really tired after a long day Fox Hunting.

When he came to stay with me I was determined to get him loading. I had the trailer in the centre of the yard, no partition and the front unload open.

I just had him in a halter and a lunge line.

I led him to the ramp and he immediately tanked off down the side of the trailer, I let the line out and followed him. He stopped at the wall. I gathered the line, gave him a mint and a pat and led him back. This went on for a good 40 minutes, never once did I get cross, I praised the charging off when I caught him and just tried again.
He finally looked at me and walked in. I walked him straight through and put him in his stable. Next day it took less time and finally he was walking straight in.

What one might call reverse psychology! It worked but try to strong arm him and you were asking for an accident.

At a major show, I went to collect some things we had bought. The owner was getting him ready to travel and decided to load him but Murph decided to play up. Several people came to help despite the owner saying otherwise. The result was an ambulance with one man with a broken leg and another with his ear partially torn off.

I moved the trailer, put Murph in the stable, had a coffee and then went to load him. When had a large audience watching to see how this horse would behave. He charged past the trailer two or three times, knew I would no fight him so walked in.

I was told it was not the way to load a horse! I pointed out that he was in with little problem and with him it was the way to load him.
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So I went to pick up my horse the other day (just bought him :))
He is 5 years old - never travelled and only practised trailer loading a couple times.

I arranged for a local horse transport company to load him (horsebox - more stable for his size) and take to his new yard - we had a TERRIBLE experience!!

Methods used:
Flicking/splashing water on behind
scaring forward by wafting rugs behind him
pressure halter
worst one! Using a chain running along top of gum in mouth

Safe to say I was in tears and he never loaded and is currently chilling out and practising more trailer loading at current yard. Oh did I mention that he constantly reared (never done before!) and hit his face on the metal roofing and fell on his bum :( :(

Please tell me I'm not the only one that thinks that these are NOT acceptable methods to use!! I firmly believe the horse should practise loading and go into the box on his own accord and feel safe/comfortable!
I'm shocked and unfortunately wished I could have stopped it all happening
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Bolding and underlining are mine. Prior to the Op coming back to respond there were 4 responders. I was one. I have bolded and underlined what I responded to. The OP was not attacked. She provided information and asked a question in the form of an exclamation. She also made the statement that the horse should go in of it's own accord as well as saying she wished she could have stopped it all. She just bought the horse. She knew the horse had never travelled. She was told (I assume she did not see it happen) the horse had practiced a couple of times. She was obviously there when the transport arrived and in her other thread does state she felt as the new owner the horse would be more comfortable with the old owner loading and so the old owner was a part of this. She cannot expect the transport company to train her horse to load. They will however employ whatever means they are comfortable with to load unless you put a limit on the encouragement they are allowed to use. Their time is worth money. The horse did not load. The transport company left. The new owner is upset her horse was handled in the manner she put forth in her opening post and possibly injured in the process. Could this whole situation taken a different turn had the new owner spoken up - yes. If she did not approve and the horse was rearing then she being the one now liable for vet payments in the event injury occurs should have stepped up. The old owner isn't responsible but perhaps should have used better judgement if the horse was rearing but hey the horse no longer belongs to her. We were never given that info here in this thread. (Brings up why cross posting is an issue IMO)The new owner wants it moved and who knows maybe that stall space in the now old barn had already been spoken for. Asking for us to please tell her the methods employed were not acceptable opened her up to comments on their acceptability. Stating that a horse should load in a certain way opened her up to more comments. How a horse should load based on practice and expecting a horse that has only loaded twice in a totally different trailer to load without encouragement and on his own accord is expecting a little much. Are there horses that would have - yes. Hers didn't. She expected him to load like a dream based on what she was told. It didn't happen and we were asked to comment on what did. The horse is still at the old barn being trained to load. I assume the new owner is involving herself in the training and will have a different set of expectations when she does move the horse and things will hopefully go much more smoothly. You buy a horse you buy the sum total of training that has been placed on that animal, good, bad or indifferent and are responsible for the horse. This horse wasn't trained for this. It showed. Even with a different trailer with the old owner involved had the horse been trained and not just practiced a couple of times the horse would have most likely loaded with a little encouragement from the old owner.
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