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post #111 of 303 Old 05-01-2016, 07:19 PM
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^I have been following this thread for a while now, and this is the conclusion I'm coming to.
What's your budget like, OP? Maybe consider lowering it, and using some of the funds to travel and looks at things outside your area?

What about allowing her to just lesson for a while? Get her confidence up while you really think about whether or not another purchase is the best choice?

Just some thoughts c8

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What are the import costs associated with bringing a horse into Canada from the U.S.? Maybe another Horse Forum horse buying field trip is in order ;)

Seriously though, over the last few months, I have seen a couple of really nice small horses/large ponies come through the therapy program where I volunteer. A horse doesn't make it to our barn on trial without just the kind of temperament you're looking for, but often the ones that don't stay end up needing a different job because they want to be a one family/one rider horse and just don't like being handled by so many different people.

In the Northeastern U.S. (I think I'm about 2 hours or so north of Jaydee) the kind of all-rounder family horse you're looking for is really common. I don't think you'd look long to find one here, and probably for ~$2-3k USD.

But again, not sure how complex and expensive it is to import to Canada...
Not sure either. But there is the exchange rate - 3000K US is 3600 Canadian. That's still in my price range (hoping to get something under 4K, but honestly, would consider paying more for the "perfect" horse). And then there are trailering fees. Additional vet fees because the horse has to cross the border. Duty. Taxes? Probably. The Canadian government taxes EVERYTHING.

And then there's the problem of flying around the US looking for a horse. Any flight out of Canada into the US is going to run 500$ minimum. Probably a lot more than that. Flying is way more expensive in Canada than in the US (like a lot of things, sigh). It would just make more sense for me to go to Ontario and Quebec, where there are more horses than here and I don't have to cross any borders. But that means I only get to try out the horse once. I'm a big believer in trying a horse out more than once. We almost bought a horse for my daughter after the first ride went well, but then, the second was a disaster. The horse was having a bad day, but still, his worst was more than we wanted to take on.

In the end, I'm not in any panic to get a horse right now. I can wait a bit longer.
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post #113 of 303 Old 05-01-2016, 10:21 PM Thread Starter
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^I have been following this thread for a while now, and this is the conclusion I'm coming to.
What's your budget like, OP? Maybe consider lowering it, and using some of the funds to travel and looks at things outside your area?

What about allowing her to just lesson for a while? Get her confidence up while you really think about whether or not another purchase is the best choice?

Just some thoughts c8
Well, that would make sense except for the fact that Harley will then be living alone on our property. That might be ok - he's rather standoffish with other horses and has never really integrated the herd. He's more of a "people" horse than a horse-horse if you know what I mean. I like ShirtHotTeez' idea of getting a goat (I love goats!) except that we don't have the right fencing for goats. I'd probably get a mini or something rather than a goat.

Meantime, I posted an ISO ad. Someone responded with a horse that sounds like it has a lot of potential. Very cute paint gelding. 15 yrs old. Completely trail safe and beginner safe. Owner is too old to ride him and has let him get overweight. He is being tuned up, but the person who contacted me (daughter of elderly lady, competes in endurance riding) took him out for a test-ride today and he went through water, mud and on the road without any problems at all. She says he's sound, has good feet, a good temperament, a "rocking horse" canter. Said he was a pleasure to ride. He's also the right size at 15.2hh. Just really fat! They haven't advertised him yet and happened to see my ad. Am following up on it.
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1. Minis, IMHO take more care and watching over, than a full size horse. Their picture should be beside the phrase "metabolic issues" and they really shouldn't have the privilege of roaming an entire pasture:)

2. I get your logic, regarding your horse hunt - it seems pretty cut and dried.

2.1. You want your daughter to ride Harley in the arena & shows for what he has been schooled to do.

2.2. You want Harley to have a companion that is also a healthy and sensibly quiet trail horse your daughter can ride because Harley might be a bit much for her on the trails for awhile.

2.3. If the time comes your daughter is able to handle Harley trail riding, the other horse will be plenty for you

3. Look at the fat Paint - be wary this isn't a scam - if they are legit people, look him over good for signs of early insulin indicators.

Puffy over the eyes. Sometimes bags under the eyes.

Hard cresty neck.

Fat adiposity on the rump and shoulders.

Founder rings or dished hooves.

3.1. I also was forum acquainted with a lady who lost her expensive paint gelding to heart failure. It's been a lot of years back, but I THINk she said some bloodlines in Paints are predisposed to heart issues.

I mention all this because the Sellers stated he is overweight.

If Harley will be close enough to where he is currently boarded, and there isn't woods to block the view to see the other horses, he should be fine for awhile.

My two are permanently separated by fence and they do fine. It isn't ideal but one horse has old injuries that hinder his movement and the other horse is a bully that likes to pick on him when I'm not looking.

The right horse will come along at the right time:)

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Thanks walkinthewalk, I think you summed it up perfectly.

I might actually do some testing for Cushings and IR in this horse because he is so fat. Just to be safe. It does sound legit, but I'm waiting for the flaws to show up. Because otherwise, except for the excess weight (which can be lost, though it might mean he has to be dry-lotted, and so not in the same pasture as Harley, but they could get to know each other over the fence), he sounds too good to be true.

Harley would not be able to see his old pasture mates at our place. We live in the country, so when I say neighbor, that doesn't mean we can actually see each other :) They would hear each other calling, but we've brought him here a few times to be ridden and hand-grazed a bit, and he's never called out to them. So I actually think he might be ok. In fact, I think it might be nice for him to have the place to himself at first. He's always getting bullied and pushed around by other horses, so this way, he'd be able to relax for a bit and "claim" the property for himself before the arrival of his friend. I would also consider putting this "fat" horse in a training refresher to help him get fit before he gets here. But if he's good on trails, I'd take him out everyday for a solid hour or two and work him. Maybe eventually pony Harley along just to desensitize him.

I don't think I would actually resort to getting a mini. Because then when we found a second horse, we'd still be stuck with the mini taking up space.
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Once you bought the horse it would be yours so I'm not sure there would be any sort of import duties or taxes to pay - there aren't when you bring horses to the US from Europe.
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/regulatio...oads/ca_eq.pdf

It likely would be easier to find what you want in the US since you sound to be very limited where you are
Its always the case when you want something you can't find it, both of our last horses eventually came from Mass. not CT but my search radius extended to New Hampshire in one direction and down to Florida in the other
You actually aren't that far from Maine, Vermont or NH, for the right horse its worth travelling a bit
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It likely would be easier to find what you want in the US since you sound to be very limited where you are
Its always the case when you want something you can't find it, both of our last horses eventually came from Mass. not CT but my search radius extended to New Hampshire in one direction and down to Florida in the other
You actually aren't that far from Maine, Vermont or NH, for the right horse its worth travelling a bit
Right, that's what I was thinking- it would probably be a long day drive with an overnight stay. But I think less drive time than going to Ontario.
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Once you bought the horse it would be yours so I'm not sure there would be any sort of import duties or taxes to pay - there aren't when you bring horses to the US from Europe.
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/regulatio...oads/ca_eq.pdf

It likely would be easier to find what you want in the US since you sound to be very limited where you are
Its always the case when you want something you can't find it, both of our last horses eventually came from Mass. not CT but my search radius extended to New Hampshire in one direction and down to Florida in the other
You actually aren't that far from Maine, Vermont or NH, for the right horse its worth travelling a bit
If I buy a car in the US and drive it across the border to Canada, I have to pay tax and duty. I don't see why it would be different for a horse (since animals are considered goods), but I don't know for sure. There are also quite a few regulations involved. It is done, certainly. But if possible, I'd rather avoid the hassle and buy something in Canada, preferably close enough that I can get history on the horse and visit more than once. I will just patiently continue to look.
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Right, that's what I was thinking- it would probably be a long day drive with an overnight stay. But I think less drive time than going to Ontario.
Less time to go to Maine, but anything further would be about the same. And a lot more hassle and expense. There are currently restrictions on horses coming from certain states where there's some kind of viral outbreak which could involve a quarantine period. It's a lot more complicated than just driving to a barn, picking up a horse, and driving back. Not saying it's impossible, just that I'd consider that only as a last resort.
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Less time to go to Maine, but anything further would be about the same. And a lot more hassle and expense. There are currently restrictions on horses coming from certain states where there's some kind of viral outbreak which could involve a quarantine period. It's a lot more complicated than just driving to a barn, picking up a horse, and driving back. Not saying it's impossible, just that I'd consider that only as a last resort.
Yes, of course- no pressure! I think we're all just feeling frustrated for you :)
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