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post #121 of 303 Old 05-02-2016, 12:13 PM
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I don't remember having to pay import duties bringing horses over. As long as all the paperwork is up to date and correct, every T crossed and I dotted, then you are fine....

I always had mine shipped up, so never had to deal with the actual crossing, but pretty sure that there were no charges.

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I don't remember having to pay import duties bringing horses over. As long as all the paperwork is up to date and correct, every T crossed and I dotted, then you are fine....

I always had mine shipped up, so never had to deal with the actual crossing, but pretty sure that there were no charges.
Thanks! Good to know. Like I said, it's something I would consider in the eventuality that none of the horses I'm looking at here turn out.

There is something to be said for getting a local horse though. Being able to stay in touch with the owners, call them up with questions, talking to other people who know the horse (living in a small province means everyone in the horse world knows each other). The overweight paint has a lot of potential in my eyes. Assuming he rides as well as they say and he doesn't have major health issues, he could be the one. Crossing my fingers...
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post #123 of 303 Old 05-02-2016, 12:28 PM
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Thanks walkinthewalk, I think you summed it up perfectly.

I might actually do some testing for Cushings and IR in this horse because he is so fat. Just to be safe. It does sound legit, but I'm waiting for the flaws to show up. Because otherwise, except for the excess weight (which can be lost, though it might mean he has to be dry-lotted, and so not in the same pasture as Harley, but they could get to know each other over the fence), he sounds too good to be true. ..........
Good to be wary, and this could be 'too good to be true', and definitely find out about the weight... but I almost passed up my current horse because she sounded 'too good to be true'. There was one thing that bothered me (the explanation as to why they were selling this horse, if she was so great) - I'm just a skeptic by nature, especially after one bad fit with a horse and then ALL the horse shopping. Anyway, thankfully they weren't in any big hurry to sell and I finally got my head on straight and brought her home. I haven't regretted it for one second. I have moments of second-guessing myself (as is obvious when I post some of my silly questions) but so far there have been zero issues, just things I needed to learn to do better. She has been solid and trustworthy. I couldn't be happier, and that nagging doubt was completely unfounded (I learned the rest of the story, and their reason for selling was completely legit). My skepticism almost cost me this horse.

(disclaimer - I realize there are a LOT of scams/half truths/too-good-to-be-true horses out there... and I rode dozens of those while shopping, ugh - just glad I didn't pass up this girl.)

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post #124 of 303 Old 05-03-2016, 10:12 AM Thread Starter
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Talked to the owner of the bombproof paint. We are going to see him tomorrow. The owner is reluctant to sell, but seems to feel she has to because he is currently not being ridden and is going to waste. And she's older and wants to go south in the winter. She has another horse, which her daughter has offered to keep for her, but this one (which was bought for her sister who never really got into riding) is just too much. So her reasons for selling seem legit. I'm also reassured by the fact that she's very hesitant and is looking for a good home above all else. She does not want him to end up in a lesson barn. But wants to meet us so I think that's a good sign. My daughter comes off as a very mature, quiet, responsible kid so I think we can make a good impression. She's also a good little rider with light hands. I also told the owner that she would be welcome to come visit anytime - could even just drop in to see if he's ok if she wanted to! That way she doesn't feel she needs to say goodbye to this horse forever as she seemed very attached to him.

She had nothing bad to say about him other than he's too fat and needs to be working. Because she does endurance riding, she has to ride her own horse long hours and feels bad for this guy. She claims he wants to go so bad, he tries to put his head into the halter when they go out to get the other horses. Also claims he is totally beginner-safe (her sister was a total beginner and started doing lessons on this horse).

So we'll see how it goes tomorrow and if things still look promising, will schedule a full PPE! So, given that this horse is overweight, is there anything specific you would test for other than IR and Cushings (but don't those horses usually LOSE weight?)? What conditions might cause weight gain? He is also pretty big-bodied (as in, big barreled I guess), so even with weight loss, he will never be a fine-boned horse like our Arab. But that's fine with me.

Her price is also very reasonable (2000$) so she's not doing this for the money.

Meantime, two other horses showed up on my radar: both claimed to be bombproof, both QH. One is only 14 hh though, and the owner wants 9000$ so walking away from that one fast. The other is a good height and is up for sale for 6500$. More than I'd like to pay, but I did respond to the ad because I might go that high if the horse is truly worth it. Currently though, my preference goes to the paint. There's just something about that horse that melts my heart and I get a good vibe from the people selling him. I can visualize myself riding for hours and hours with him and it would be a nice, relaxing ride rather than stressing about whether he might spook at the next tree. And according to the owner, he actually has a nice nose tuck and collects very nicely if we want to go in that direction. She said he could definitely become a show horse if we wanted him to - he's done lots of arena work and goes both English and Western. She's just not into arena work herself. He's also been in an indoor arena and was totally cool about it.

Really nothing wrong with this horse so far, other than being fat and maybe not having the nicest physique (big barreled).
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given that this horse is overweight, is there anything specific you would test for other than ir and cushings (but don't those horses usually lose weight?)? no. While they can lose weight, typically they gain weight with insulin resistance.

joker is only 15.3h and was a little over 1,200 pounds when he was formally diagnosed. It was something that snuck up on me over one winter. Then all that winter hair shed off and there was this blimp of a horse



he is a hunky built horse and weighs around 1,100 lbs now. I can feel his ribs but trying to keep him from gaining weight back is a battle because he has injuries that make him not ridable.

that said, the horse in my avatar was diagnosed with equine metabolic syndrome, which is not insulin resistance but the diet is the same. He dropped ~80 lbs in 5-6
weeks and became depressed which is why i got the vet out.


what conditions might cause weight gain? Metabolic issues is all that I am familiar with; maybe someone else knows something:)

Paints are generally known to be easy keepers so lack of exercise and a lot of pasture don't help the weight loss cause:)

He is also pretty big-bodied (as in, big barreled i guess), so even with weight loss, he will never be a fine-boned horse like our arab. But that's fine with me.
I did read a 2009 article on TheHorse.com that talked about deafness in certain patterned Paints with blue eyes.

If he is blue-eyed be sure to have the vet closely check eyes and for hearing.

Is he a Medicine Hat? They sell for more money than Paints without a full Medicine Hat marking.

It sounds like the lady probably has the papers for him?

I hope things work out. I can easily put myself in the Seller's position of having to but not wanting to sell. I feel bad for her.

Yet another reminder of why my two 20-somethings are the last two I will ever own.

If I lose my two, too far ahead of time, I may borrow a couple from someone at the vet facility but I would know they go back to their rightful owners when something would happen to me.

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Thanks walkinthewalk! Will check on all those things. I don't think he has blue eyes but will find out tomorrow. I have no idea if she has papers. Doesn't really matter to me.

Will do the IR and Cushings testing and ask the vet about any other potential causes for weight gain.

I feel bad for her too. She seems to genuinely like this horse, but already has her own horse to ride. Which is why I invited her to come out and visit anytime. We live about an hour away so easy enough to do. We also have a common acquaintance - that almost inevitably happens here. So that's always reassuring. One of the big advantages of buying local.
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Some horses are just easy keepers and can pile weight on without having IR, Laminitis etc - Honey is a perfect example of that, I joke that she lives on baling twine, cardboard and thin air but its almost true, she's a really sharp forward going ride too but needs 3 or 4 hours hard work a day to keep her to a decent weight.
Flo had metabolic syndrome, only had laminitis once after being fed a sweet feed when I was keeping a couple of my horses at livery for the winter so I could use their indoor school in the evenings. She became harder and harder to keep weight on though as a young horse she wasn't like that at all - just average really
Its possible that this horse is just overweight because he's eating too much and doing nothing but it won't hurt to test for IR, Cushings and also low thyroid function
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As soon as you said she was an endurance rider, I wondered if the paint was really that overweight. He might carry more weight than an endurance horse in shape and that is her perspective. I hope he is just out-of-shape overweight and not obese overweight.
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As soon as you said she was an endurance rider, I wondered if the paint was really that overweight. He might carry more weight than an endurance horse in shape and that is her perspective. I hope he is just out-of-shape overweight and not obese overweight.
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Can't see the pic:(

I uploaded a picture from my Photobucket account and didn't have this "attachment approval pending" issue. I did it as a test just to see if it would work at eight this morning.

I wonder why Pictures in PB still work but other methods don't?

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