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post #171 of 303 Old 05-07-2016, 07:57 PM Thread Starter
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Completely O/T but sounds like a lot of your "Harley issues" are owner issues. If you put a green rider on my horse he would be a hot nervous mess. But he's not, just an inexperienced Arab. Harley is more experienced than my boy but sounds like a very similar situation. FWIW my gelding is more than happy to plod along and not look twice at anything with the right rider. I do think you are right to look at another horse but you are saying riding Haley is tiring because you're waiting for him to spook at everything, well that's why he's doing it :) My mother says the same things about Desi "he's tiring". It's best if you don't worry about the horses reaction to things (I know it's easier said than done ;))
You're probably right. And I'm hoping they will go away in time and with lots of miles (on both of us!). But either way, we need a second horse if my daughter and I are going to ride together so it only makes sense to get a solid trail horse since this is not Harley's strong suit. In the arena, he's good as gold though. And I've done virtually NO arena riding until quite recently so there's no reason for me to be less nervous. He's so completely reliable in there though, that I'm fine. It's when we're out in the open that he starts to jig, put his head up, tense up. I've seen him physically tremble because there was something scary on the trail. So while I may be exacerbating the problem because I tense up when he tenses up, I do think he just has less trail miles than arena miles and therefore, is more nervous. With a solid trail horse that's maybe not done quite as much arena work, my hope is that they'll balance each other out.
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So I rode the paint for over three hours over all kinds of terrain today. I think I'm passing on him.

First off, he wouldn't let me put a saddle on him. Was trembling when he felt the saddle touch him. The owner came over and heaved it on him and he wasn't happy. It was a big, no-so-great fitting Western saddle, which the owner apologized for, but what the hell am I supposed to do with a horse that is scared of a saddle? Then I couldn't get one ear in the headstall. His height wasn't helping (I think he's closer to 16hh now that I've spent more time with him). I could get one ear in no problem, but he wouldn't let me touch the other ear. I suspect an ear infection or something because he had no issues letting me handle the first one. Also, I felt his headstall was on too tight.

We headed outside and it was a windy, nasty day. A few flurries have been falling on and off all day. All kinds of things were rattling in the wind and he was really spooky even though we were just walking circles in a field, trying to decide if he was settled enough to go do the trail. At that point, I almost called the whole thing off. I was trying to picture my daughter on him and knew this wasn't the right horse to boost her confidence. But after a few random spooks, he did settle down so I sucked it up and decided to see just how bad it could get. We rode along the road (which I never like doing) and along power lines, in a suburb, along dirt roads, through water and a lot of muck (we had a hard rain last night). We trotted until my thighs hurt from the darn Western saddle bars. He spooked a a few more times but I rode it out.

But the best part came about an hour and a half into the ride when the owner (riding her Arab) told me she hadn't been completely honest with me and that he's really just green broke. What??? I specifically indicated I am looking for a rock-solid beginner safe trail horse that both myself and my daughter can ride. She told me this long story about how she bought it as a five-year old, but when the vet came, he said the horse was no more than 3 or 4. And other than the one clinic she did with him, any training he has is from her (and she is def. not a professional trainer, which explains why he's a little rough around the edges). I'm guessing the horse has been ridden maybe a dozen times in his life.

So given that information, he actually did pretty well on the trail! None of his spooks were severe and he never unseated me. But he was with his trail buddy in a familiar environment. I need a horse that can settle Harley down, not make him crazier!

I thanked her for the ride, told her I was honestly looking for a horse with a little more training and that I was going to go look at a couple of other horses. But honestly, I think I'm done with that one. If I were to consider him, I'd want to put additional training and desensitizing on him. But I'm not sure it's worth it.

Oh, he was coughing a lot throughout the ride too. Mostly when we trotted. He does have a nice canter though....

I guess the search goes on. Someone contacted me saying they have a nice 18 yr old QH mare for sale... might be worth looking at. But I'm not in a hurry. I'm having so much fun with Harley these days that I just want to finish the barn and paddock/pastures and bring him home.

Also, the rescue QH that used to be a lesson horse? They backed him and are really keen on having me come out to see him. He did well with a rider on him, but is refusing to take the bit. They are riding him bitless. I don't think I'm going to take that one seriously until they have him fine-tuned a little more.*

Horse shopping is so frustrating.
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post #173 of 303 Old 05-09-2016, 07:22 PM
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This is so disappointing! First off, I just can't figure out why she wanted to take you on a trail ride that LONG on a green hours. You could've been hurt! I mean, it's one thing to make that decision for yourself, but not put someone on a green horse w/ out telling them...it's all really, really strange. It sounds like he really could be a great horse someday, but it would be so much easier to just buy a horse that is already great.
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post #174 of 303 Old 05-09-2016, 07:35 PM Thread Starter
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My thoughts exactly Jan. I am not shopping for a green horse. I thought that if I specified that I want a beginner-safe, bombproof horse, that would rule out green-broke horses. But apparently this person didn't think it was a contradiction. Also, to be fair to her, I think even she was surprised by how spooky he was today. I think she asked me to go back and ride him longer because she knew she had mislead me the first time and didn't feel right (or was afraid she'd get herself in trouble) about selling him to me without full disclosure about his level of training. But why she'd wait until we're halfway through a pretty exciting ride to tell me is beyond me.
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post #175 of 303 Old 05-09-2016, 07:46 PM
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Wellll ------- if that don't beat all ---------.


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But the best part came about an hour and a half into the ride when the owner (riding her Arab) told me she hadn't been completely honest with me and that he's really just green broke. What??? I specifically indicated I am looking for a rock-solid beginner safe trail horse that both myself and my daughter can ride. She told me this long story about how she bought it as a five-year old, but when the vet came, he said the horse was no more than 3 or 4. And other than the one clinic she did with him, any training he has is from her (and she is def. Not a professional trainer, which explains why he's a little rough around the edges). I'm guessing the horse has been ridden maybe a dozen times in his life.
^^^this leaves me almost speechless--------
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Not really. Now she can advertise the horse as a seasoned trail horse.
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post #177 of 303 Old 05-09-2016, 07:50 PM Thread Starter
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Not really. Now she can advertise the horse as a seasoned trail horse.
Does that mean I can advertise myself as a professional trail horse trainer?
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Haha^^

Seriously though, really frustrated for you. What a weird experience.
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post #179 of 303 Old 05-09-2016, 08:30 PM Thread Starter
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Haha^^

Seriously though, really frustrated for you. What a weird experience.
She must have figured that I wouldn't be interested if she told me the horse was only green-broke. But wanted me to ride him a second time, so at least she had a conscience. And then she spilled the beans, LOL! I think she thought that I'd be impressed with him under the circumstances because for a green-broke horse, he did pretty well. But that's obviously NOT what I'm looking for!
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post #180 of 303 Old 05-09-2016, 09:29 PM
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Holy cow. That's ridiculous.
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