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post #181 of 303 Old 05-09-2016, 08:30 PM
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No, but it probably means you are a better rider than you think you are.
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post #182 of 303 Old 05-10-2016, 09:25 AM
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I was so disappointed to read this. And surprised. I honestly think that she liked your daughter and was hoping to find her horse a good home so she "picked you" as the new owner.

So the search continues. Good Luck! and you should be proud of yourself for that trail ride
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post #183 of 303 Old 05-10-2016, 01:00 PM
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Well that was a shame, unfortunately after spending a large chunk of my life - actually the biggest part of my life - around horse dealers and ordinary folk selling horses - I can say with confidence that it can turn the best of people into liars.
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post #184 of 303 Old 05-10-2016, 04:25 PM Thread Starter
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You know, he is a sweet horse and it occurred to me that I could probably knock down his price even further (she wasn't asking a lot to start with, but honestly, he's not worth a lot) and add onto its training and really make him great. But here's the thing: if the seller could hide the fact that he's green-broke from me, what else might she be hiding? Someone who is that dishonest is a deal-breaker for me. Am I wrong?
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post #185 of 303 Old 05-10-2016, 04:35 PM
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Interesting suggestion, but impossible to say. It's incredible that she tried to pass him off as a bombproof horse, so definitely hard to believe any of her claims. However, you have the advantage that after having ridden him for several hours on two separate occasions you have gained a good idea of his temperament and capabilities.

If a vet can give him a clean bill of health, and you like his potential and his character, then there's really nothing else she can mislead you on. However, a green broke horse is not going to be quite as unflappable as a more experienced horse, no matter how nice a character he has. You can send him for further training which will help, but he will still lack the general life experience "been there done that" attitude which I thought was what you are looking for in a horse.

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post #186 of 303 Old 05-10-2016, 04:37 PM
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You know, he is a sweet horse and it occurred to me that I could probably knock down his price even further (she wasn't asking a lot to start with, but honestly, he's not worth a lot) and add onto its training and really make him great. But here's the thing: if the seller could hide the fact that he's green-broke from me, what else might she be hiding? Someone who is that dishonest is a deal-breaker for me. Am I wrong?
Hmmm...my gut instinct is to just say there's no way I'd even communicate with someone like that again.

But if you think you can get the horse cheaply enough to make it worth your while, then I guess I see three big and important unknowns that would make me nervous about a dishonest seller:
1. True level of training: You already know not to expect much, so you can't really be disappointed there.
2. Physical issues/age: If she allowed you to do a comprehensive PPE, including pulling blood work and xrays (not sure if you were planning those anyway), then you'd be somewhat protected. She's not claiming any great bloodlines without papers or anything like that.
3. Major vices that you don't know about until it's too late: I'm thinking about something like, the horse goes into a bucking fit if you ask for the canter in a weird way that you wouldn't think to try out ahead of time...Or starts rearing when he sees little boys wearing red baseball caps. Just something oddball that's potentially really difficult or dangerous, but rarely happens. It seems like that would be your greatest area of exposure, where a seller could know about a really major vice that wasn't immediately obvious and thus didn't have to be disclosed.

I don't know what I'd do in your shoes. I think I'd probably keep looking. But I also know you've had quite a time trying to find anything that you're excited about.
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post #187 of 303 Old 05-10-2016, 04:48 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks Bondre and egrogan. My gut feeling is that I need to pass on this one. He was just totally different that day. Maybe it was the wind, maybe it was the time of day (morning, rather than evening - I know Harley is calmer in the evening when he's spent all day outside) or maybe it was me, but I didn't feel entirely confident around him, even doing something as simple as tacking up. And he's quite large, so he could do some real damage if he suddenly had a meltdown. I can't put my daughter in that situation.

So I will keep looking for now. I keep telling myself there's no rush. And the owner of the paint hasn't put him up for sale publicly yet. She said I was welcome to come try him again and again, as many times as I wanted to. She also has no problem with a vet check. So he'll likely still be there if I decide to go back.

Meanwhile, the rescue place is really trying to get me to go see the QH they have there. They also posted an ad about him which indicates he has pretty severe arthritis in his hind end. So I told the person I've been corresponding with that we would pass because of the arthritis. She is now saying that while the previous owners claimed he has arthritis, he's not lame now, so they don't think it's arthritis after all. Yet the ad said he had been "cleared by the vet" to be ridden. Ummm... pass.
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What a nut! She's lucky you didn't get hurt!


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post #189 of 303 Old 05-10-2016, 05:51 PM
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I agree - walk away from this one. You were putting a young child on a horse she was saying was safe and well trained when she knew it wasn't. Just be thankful you saw the other side of him before you did go any further, it isn't the horse's fault but he could have ended up giving you a lot of grief.
I wish the friend of mine in the UK who's now several thousand British pounds worse off plus a lot of stress had gone back and ridden the horse she bought as safe and sensible on his own out on the roads and tracks actually on the roads and tracks on his own before she bought him
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post #190 of 303 Old 05-10-2016, 06:27 PM
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In your case, for what you want out of a second riding horse, pass on him.


Were this horse for an experienced rider with a lot of training capabilities, I would tell her I did not appreciate her dishonesty, have a pocket full of cash money, make her a disgusting low ball offer, tell her that is my best money but one thing her dishonest self could rely on is that I would give the horse a great home.

Take or leave it lady and be ready to pull that horse trailer out of her drive, empty, lollol

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