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post #21 of 303 Old 04-21-2016, 11:21 PM
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I had to smile a little bit about the ad. I am familiar with the Canadian breed, but what exactly is a "French" Canadian? I'mnot sure horses make the distinction ;).

As an owner of a Morgan cross with metabolic issues, I have to agree with the others though. Both Morgans and Canadians are kind of predisposed to getting fat on air and developing laminitis and metabolic problems. So an older horse if thise breeds with a not so clear health history is a gamble. Also, even if it's called "easy keeper", these horses are far from easy in maintenance. They often need a tailored feed plan with little to no grazing, not sure if you are set up for this. And even if you are, that may defeat the purpose of getting Harley a companion if the mare has to be in a dirt paddock or stall most of the time.
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I thought the same thing Regula - the breed is called Canadian, not sure where the French comes from! But I'm French, so maybe I'll have better communication with this mare??? :) Maybe the confusion just comes from the fact that a lot of the major breeders of Canadians are in Quebec.

I've heard good things about the Canadian breed, but as I said before, my (very limited) experience was not a good one. The only one I know is completely batty.

I hadn't thought of the grazing issue. I'm willing to put a horse on a hay diet (with supplements), am even willing to medicate for Cushings or IR, but given that I'd like my horses to be out almost 24/7, that might be an issue. I am planning on a sacrifice paddock where no grass will grow, but if I have to keep this horse separate from Harley, it complicates things.

Thanks for pointing this out.
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post #23 of 303 Old 04-22-2016, 07:38 AM
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I hadn't thought of the grazing issue. I'm willing to put a horse on a hay diet (with supplements), am even willing to medicate for Cushings or IR, but given that I'd like my horses to be out almost 24/7, that might be an issue. I am planning on a sacrifice paddock where no grass will grow, but if I have to keep this horse separate from Harley, it complicates things.

Thanks for pointing this out.
No ---you are--- NOT --- willing.

You only think your are because you are a kind person and have never had to deal with Cushings, or IR; and some horses can develop both.

Cushings horses HAVE to be on Prascend. Cushings is a gradual path to dearth, some take longer than others, depending on severity and how soon it is caught.

The horse in my avatar had Equine Metabolic Syndrome and was diagnosed in 2007. I lost him in Nov, 2014 to major colic from strangulating lipomas.

I still have my IR horse that is so serious he is on a prescription.

Between my vet bills, once a month th farrier visits, ancillaries of all sorts, the vets office declared I have spent enough money on both these horse (since 2007) to buy an upper level dressage horse with a great record and a big price tag.

While these horse need exercise, it cannot be strenuous. Steady and quiet but nothing strenuous.

I don't think you want to get yourself in a tangled mess trying to manage one of these horses. It is hurtful to the soul at best, for anyone who doesn't view that horse as a commodity, to watch these horses. Especially when they have to be separated and live life in a dirt lot or the barnyard.

No, that is not something you want to set yourself up for.

If you do look at this horse, I would demand a blood test to check insulin and cortisol levels, as part of the PPE. That takes two viles of blood.

They want a lot of money for the horse but they could still be aware the horse has metabolic issues and will feign ignorance.

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I CAN'T ride 'em n slide 'em. I HAVE to lead 'em n feed 'em Thnx cowchick77.

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You're right walkinthewalk... it would be heartbreaking to watch a horse slowly deteriorate. And at this age, it would just be a matter of time.

Even if I had the horse tested and it came out negative for metabolic issues, they could come up anytime... in a year, in six months...

I just thought we could give an older horse a nice retirement home. But I hear what you're saying. I'm not running a shelter for senior horses. If I took on a horse that turned out to have health issues, especially at this age, it would be a lifetime commitment because I would not have the heart to re-sell it.

I do find it sad that someone would try to re-home a 21 year old family pet. Doesn't seem fair to the animal or the buyer. It could still have a few good years left, but that's a big gamble.
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post #25 of 303 Old 04-22-2016, 08:21 AM
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Still can't 'like' posts but everything Walk says is true - One of my mares was diagnosed Cushings a couple of years ago and managing her is a nightmare at times, I would never buy one that had it or looked as if it might have it.
I'm sure you will find a lovely well mannered younger little horse that your daughter can enjoy safe trail rides on and also compete on - I know you say she can do that on Harley but you know and she knows that he's become your horse and she'll be a lot more content and enthusiastic with one that she feels is her very own
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Jaydee, not to hi-Jack this thread but, if you go to the bottom left of the forum's top page, click the drop down, then click on "Forum Classic", you will get the original format AND the "like" button back.

Why the like works in the old format but not the new is a dilemma for the Admin to figure out. But if they want us to start using the new format, the "like" bug needs fixed, lol
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I CAN'T ride 'em n slide 'em. I HAVE to lead 'em n feed 'em Thnx cowchick77.
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Lots of red flags just in the ad itself. As everyone has already pointed out (and since I cannot "like" anyone's post with the new website) I agree that you need to PASS big time on this one.
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Thanks all!

Again, I can't "like" any of this, but I appreciate all your comments.

Jaydee - I don't mean to sound defensive (do I?), but wouldn't quite say that Harley has become MY horse. My daughter is doing some shows with him this summer and they did a three-day camp together. She rides him 2-3 times a week. So we are still sharing him at this point. But you're correct in pointing out that if we found a quieter horse that she could also compete on, that would be a plus. However, given that I paid good money for a show horse in Harley, I refuse to go down that road again. She has a show horse. She jumped him very nicely just the other day (see pic below, sorry it's so blurry) and has started to canter him a little bit at a time. If she was truly dedicated, she could easily work with him under her coach. But I don't see the commitment I need to see in her to make me feel like I should go out and buy her another horse. The second horse is going to be a quiet companion horse for Harley and a good horse to put beginners on when we have guests who don't have a lot of horse experience. If she can show him - and if she even WANTS to show him - then that would be a bonus, but I'm not counting on it at this point because she hasn't shown me she is ready for the commitment.

I guess it is accurate to say that I've grown very fond of Harley whereas my daughter's attachment to him seems to be more fickle. But that happens to me with almost every animal I've been around my entire life. Dogs, cats, horses... they get very bonded to me even when they're not supposed to be "mine". Our two dogs (bought for our kids) follow me to the bathroom and wait for me to come out, LOL. Sometimes it's annoying - especially for my kids who would love to have that much attention from them, but I keep telling them all they have to do is spend more time with the dogs and feed them every day like I do! My daughter likes to ride Harley, but doesn't care to feed, groom, lunge or just hang out with him. That's going to put a limitation to how close they will become. I have no reason to believe she would behave differently with another horse.
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post #29 of 303 Old 04-22-2016, 11:44 AM
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I think you have made a good decision.
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post #30 of 303 Old 04-22-2016, 11:48 AM
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The clumping hay in the stomach could indicate bad or missing teeth.
I know you're not getting that one but reading between the lines can help you weed through the candidates. I suspect you'll be an expert in no time.
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