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post #11 of 14 Old 04-15-2015, 09:54 AM
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The BEST situation is being turned out with a heavier but submissive gelding. The WORST is what you are experiencing.
I, too wonder why she doesn't understand herd dynamics. I do understand that our herds do not operate like a wild herd where breeding mares stay together with foals, then run off bachelor stallions, who band together for company and safety, and then the stallions fight for a band of broodmares.
The mares protect the foals and then help them learn to behave.
We pull out foals at 6mo and of then isolate them so they don't interact with other horses their own age. Sometimes breeding operations put foals together and then they figure out how to interact.
I should take a picture of my QH, "Buster Brown," who I bought/adopted as a 3yo. The first thing I noticed about him was that he has 1/4 inch of his upper LF eyelid missing, but healed, no sight or other problem, and I think that they were happy to "unload" him. His history is first owner dropped dam and foal off at a rescue, where they were turned out with about 30 other horses. NOBODY would tell me HOW he got this injury, but I think it was in turnout and fighting.
Sometimes these ever changing, makeshift boarding turnout herds turn into gang members who bully and don't understand equine social ettiquette.
Move her, put her in with another safe horse, bigger but not a bully, and give her some time to learn about a safe herd.
BTW, my 3 horses get along very well, only nicks and occasional cuts, no kick marks. My lesson horses lived together and respected each other bc they worked, so few serious injuries.

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post #12 of 14 Old 04-16-2015, 01:42 AM
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i dont want her to end up being a pasture pet and i would love to get her out on some trails but where do i start??? ...
She is alpha mare at two years old
She lunges like a dream
Are you talkking about not knowing where to start with the whole training thing too, or just worried about her... social arrangements?

If she's only 2yo I wouldn't be thinking about riding her any time soon, or doing other weightbearing or high impact stuff such as running lots of circles. But there's plenty you can do without actually riding, to get her ready for going out & about with you aboard. I'm thinking you don't know much about training though, so finding some good hands on help will be important.

Because she is alpha the herd that i had her out with ... ended up cornered, kicked and bit. she's a trainwreck. ... she was dragging her back feet while walking
What do you mean by 'alpha'? Do you mean she tries to fight with or bully other horses? 'Alpha' is lable for 'lead' dogs/wolves of a popular behavioural theory, but it's generally taken to mean the boss, the leader... which is obviously not what it means to you.

Yes, it sounds like she's been 'told her where to get off' rather strongly, and if her injuries were serious & the horses didn't stop when she stopped - or she kept coming back for more, if living arrangements are cramped, etc, maybe best to remove her from that particular mob, for now at least. Also if she was actually dragging her feet, I would have considered a vet/chiro check her out.

But agree with the others, that especially being only a 2yo, I would not want to keep her in solitary confinement & would prefer that she learns how to be sociable in a herd if at all possible. I'd be looking to find a large, open acreage with a few other assertive but sociable animals, that she can learn how to interact, and be 'corrected' by them for any 'rudeness' without being cornered & beaten up for it.

If not, I'd consider getting a quite, submissive horse or pony, if she's not likely to beat THEM up, or even a cow, goat, sheep or such, so if she must live at your gramp's, she will have some tolerable live-in company.
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post #13 of 14 Old 04-16-2015, 04:03 AM
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She was dragging her back feet while walking.... does not sound like an alpha horse.
I would not leave her in a herd that has injured her this badly.
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post #14 of 14 Old 04-18-2015, 03:19 PM
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Alpha or not, she's a herding animal and being left alone is not good for their disposition. She'll get anxious, and sour. I'd keep her with others, even if you have put a fence between them. I'd start out on short trail ridess with one other solid low key horse, keeping your horse along side at a safe distance apart in case of kicking. Normally horses behave much better in a companion situation. Have you done any desensitizing for unfamiliar objects and noises? Do it several times before you go out on a ride. Find a quiet dirt road or trail somewhere that you are familiar with in terms of traffic or noise. Both riders should go slow just at a walk to start until her confidence (and yours) is increased.
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