Unique riding method? - The Horse Forum
 44Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 27 Old 08-25-2014, 03:13 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 10
• Horses: 0
Unique riding method?

I posted this in my other thread on falling off a bunch with my previous instructor. I am looking at getting a new instructor, and have questions about one I visited the other day. I think my question got buried in my last post, so I'm hoping you guys don't mind me posting it as a separate thread. Thanks!

So I've been looking around at the options available for a new instructor. I contacted one who is well known in the region, and he called me back immediately. Went out to see his place and observed a lesson on Friday. His whole method is pretty much the antithesis of what I have been learning. He is focused on the communication between rider and horse, and how our breath, posture, balance, etc. affect the horse's movement and our communication. One of the first things he told me was that I could tell a horse to start and stop with my breath and weight alone.

He had me get up on one of his horses for about 10 minutes. He showed me how to breathe in and move my pelvis forward to instruct the horse to move, and how to breathe out and shift my weight on my pelvis slightly backward to stop the horse. We also practiced turning through the movement and slight turning of my body, instead of using an open rein. Needless to say, I was in awe. To top it all off, I felt like the horse was listening to me to see what I would ask for next, instead of wishing she was off sleeping or eating instead.

I then watched as he took two green riders (one had never ridden before) and within minutes they were able to start, stop, and wind their horses through a set of cones (at a gentle walk, of course) without problem. I also watched as he took the reigns of the more experienced rider's horse (she told me she'd ridden twice as a child) and asked her to start, stop and turn the horse with only her body, no use of the reigns. He held the reigns only for safety (I watched, he didn't lead the horse at all, reins were slack the entire time). She then proceeded to take her horse through the cones using only her body and shifting of weight to ask it to start, stop, turn, etc.

Has anyone else ever seen this type of riding before? The instructor swears his horses are not specially trained to respond to it, but that his methods can be used on any horse.

I felt really safe and at ease with him, his horses, and his method, so I'm contemplating trying a few lessons even though they're almost twice what I was paying before. I can't seem to find any info online about this sort of riding technique though, so I'm wondering if you guys know anything about it.
Sherby84 is offline  
post #2 of 27 Old 08-25-2014, 03:20 PM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 371
• Horses: 1
sounds a lot like Centered Riding. you should be able to turn a horse just by turning your body. (watch dressage, they hardly move their hands when turning)
I'd say if you felt at ease and enjoyed it, give it a go!

RIP ~ Mr. Bass 06/09/1985-01/21/2015 my dearest friend
4hoofbeat is offline  
post #3 of 27 Old 08-25-2014, 03:22 PM
Foal
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: CT, USA
Posts: 44
• Horses: 2
One of my friends used to call it centered riding I believe, but I don't know how common a term it is. I also know that she used to say the horse was "trained for centered riding." I don't think my former ranch horse would understand at first, but that's just me.

New horse mom, 100% cowgirl
Bo20 is offline  
post #4 of 27 Old 08-25-2014, 03:28 PM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Missouri
Posts: 435
• Horses: 1
wow! sounds awesome!
3ringburner is offline  
post #5 of 27 Old 08-25-2014, 03:32 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 10
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4hoofbeat View Post
sounds a lot like Centered Riding. you should be able to turn a horse just by turning your body. (watch dressage, they hardly move their hands when turning)
I'd say if you felt at ease and enjoyed it, give it a go!
Just looked up centered riding, and it does sound similar!
Sherby84 is offline  
post #6 of 27 Old 08-25-2014, 04:01 PM
Started
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Plano, Texas
Posts: 1,691
• Horses: 0
Horses can be taught to respond to a variety of cues. Horses that are accustomed to being kicked and pulled around may take longer to learn to respond to more subtle cues. However, once they realize what they are being asked to do, most horses will respond more willingly to subtle cues than to grosser cues.

While the cues you describe are slightly different than what I teach, I am impressed with the trainer's approach. I think your money would be well spent to take lessons with him.

After you have taken some lessons with him, try using these or similar cues on horses he has not trained and see if you can get them to respond. Relaxation in yourself and in the horse is a major factor in achieving success.

Training riders and horses to work in harmony.
www.quietriding.com
www.quietriding.org
TXhorseman is offline  
post #7 of 27 Old 08-25-2014, 04:03 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 852
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherby84 View Post

One of the first things he told me was that I could tell a horse to start and stop with my breath and weight alone.

I'd call him a keeper!

He had me get up on one of his horses for about 10 minutes. He showed me how to breathe in and move my pelvis forward to instruct the horse to move, and how to breathe out and shift my weight on my pelvis slightly backward to stop the horse. We also practiced turning through the movement and slight turning of my body, instead of using an open rein. Needless to say, I was in awe. To top it all off, I felt like the horse was listening to me to see what I would ask for next, instead of wishing she was off sleeping or eating instead.

This is what a partnership should feel like.



Has anyone else ever seen this type of riding before? The instructor swears his horses are not specially trained to respond to it, but that his methods can be used on any horse.



I felt really safe and at ease with him, his horses, and his method, so I'm contemplating trying a few lessons even though they're almost twice what I was paying before. I can't seem to find any info online about this sort of riding technique though, so I'm wondering if you guys know anything about it.
[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"] I've seen Colleen Kelly (rider biomechanics) demo this , and she also says that any horse will naturally follow your weight shifts UNLESS (and this is a big 'unless') he has learned to tune out the subtle rider cues because he has been ridden so long with stronger cues,,that it's all just so much static that he's learned to tune out.

so the key is, as you say, to have a horse that will listen to it.
much much easier, as I understand to start out that way. harder to retrain a horse to it.

My Sonny will stop on a dime if I exhale outloud,which I taught on the ground first. Well, most of the time he will, if he's excited or has him mind on what's out in the distance, he won't. ..so maybe 85 % of the time. LOL

And, he's getting better on going forward with weight shift, ...it's taken me a long time to get there.
The turns with weight shifts, even leg cues are still not there, I almost always have to add some rein. But he is 20 y.o. and has been tuning out static for a very long time.
[/COLOR]

so glad you found this trainer. too bad he's so much more expensive for you.
Fay
Chasin Ponies likes this.
mslady254 is offline  
post #8 of 27 Old 08-25-2014, 04:04 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 2,469
• Horses: 3
YES! You found a good one.
beverleyy and Rebelwithacause like this.
squirrelfood is offline  
post #9 of 27 Old 08-25-2014, 04:20 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,178
• Horses: 4
I got to ride a horse once that was controlled all by the riders seat. OH. My. Word. What an awesome experience!

Funny story though about that. The guys dil rode that horse once. She got scared and instinctively leaned forward, the horse went faster and she of course leaned forward more and so on. It was very hard to convince her to lean back but once she finally did the horse stopped.
ChitChatChet is offline  
post #10 of 27 Old 08-26-2014, 12:54 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: State of Confusion (SC)
Posts: 890
• Horses: 3
This is the way my instructor I used after my accident taught and it was new to me also. I loved it. Blossom took awhile to get used to it because she was older and at one time (before she became a brood mare) she had been used to teach children to ride. She was highly motivated though because she HATES heavy hands. (I had to ride her and show the owner I had light hands before he let me have her.) So she was already halfway there. She ESPECIALLY liked stopping and backing up with seat cues alone.

I'd say this guy is worth every penny you spend....and just think of the savings you'll have on medical expenses! LOL
SueC likes this.

I'm not a complete idiot--there are parts missing!

What you have become is the price you paid to get what you used to want.
HagonNag is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Which way to go (which method)? Loooong! HollyLolly Natural Horsemanship 4 06-28-2013 03:43 PM
WP lope..which method? wpbr Horse Training 3 06-21-2013 07:30 PM
CA method refresher? Baylen Jaxs Horse Trainers 10 12-01-2012 02:25 AM
Which method is better? NordicJuniper Horse Training 9 09-12-2012 09:55 AM
Which Method Do You Use? AngelWithoutWings54 Natural Horsemanship 36 06-05-2010 04:07 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome