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post #21 of 79 Old 08-19-2015, 12:17 PM
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When I rode donkeys I always used a crupper, if one didn't you ended up in the donkeys ears.

Never cared for britching as it seems to impede movement when we where going over rugged terrain which was most of the time.
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I could easily leave my back cinch off, riding some trails or just around home, but it is on my saddles that I use for trail riding, I like my horses to be used to a back cinch, it a pain to take off and on, so it just stays on my balance ride saddle and my new Billy Cook trail saddle
When I used my balance ride saddle for reining and general show events, at the light horse level, including games, I took that back cinch off.
I now use a Billy Cook show saddle for that purpose, and it has never seen a back cinch!
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Having been given a Sharon Saare saddle with 7/8 rigging and a back ring to use in conjunction I came to like that way.

The Y, or triangle, it creates pulls the back of the saddle down securely. Haven't noticed any tipping forward while riding, however I have not done much trail riding or riding on steep inclines. I do tighten it, but do not wrench it down as hard as I can. Also it keeps a lot of bulk out from under my leg/knee.

It is my finest quality saddle, however with the F tree I have trouble finding a horse to fit it. I now have an Abetta trail saddle that rigs the same way and fits many horses.

The Abetta is not a common model, I don't think they make it anymore. It is my go to saddle, at only 17 pounds.

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Thank you everyone!! As always, I learn a lot from your discussions :).
We won't be doing any mountains or other treacherous terrain anytime soon. He's just a flat trail ride horse for fun right now.
I will pay more attention to make sure his saddle does not pop up at the back when he is standing with no rider.
I was more concerned that I may be doing something to harm him if I didn't use a rear cinch.

I will have to do more reading or have someone help me with fitting his breast collar as right now, we are not using it because of where it sits across his shoulders.
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post #25 of 79 Old 08-19-2015, 02:58 PM
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I am always amused by the people who say "You must use this certain piece of tack and in this certain way or else you aren't doing it right or you are harming your horse."

My best friend cannot for the life of her understand how I am happy using my $80 1/2" Diamond Wool contoured cowboy pad. She must use her $300 Saddle Right pad on her mare or her mare comes up back sore...or so she says. When I met her, she had no clue about saddle fit and actually rode her mare several times in a saddle with a broken tree, but couldn't figure out why she came up with a sore back even though she'd used the expensive pad. Of course, she's also the one who freaked out on me for not having a rear cinch "just in case [my] horse takes off broncing, it'll hold the saddle from flipping onto his neck." Ummmm...what?!
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nOpe, nobody has to use any tack they don't wish to , Drafty, and I very often ride without a helmet
That does not negate the fact that anyone who rides long mountain miles, uses a back cinch done up, as it does stabilize the saddle, keeps from soring a horse on those long rough miles, because even the best fitting saddle will have some back and forth motion over the lions without it
I a also carry saddle bags that are pretty well loaded.
The OP asked about a back cinch for traIL RIDING, and my advise remains it is best to use one. Can you ride without one, sure, but why would you if there is even a slight chance it will help from soring your horse.
Also, what I find equally ludicrous, is people who just won't even consider advise, from people like out fitters, who make a living riding in the back country, so perhaps know a bit more than they do, concerning equipment
Occasional one day short rides, do not an expert make, esp if that is mainly on what I consider 'tame; territory
You can also pull a bumper hitch trailer without an equalizer, use car tires on your trailer (someone actually tried that on the way to the Ya HA) and had to be rescued, stranded with four flat tires!
You can also ride without a slicker-but I won't leave for a mountain ride without one

Here is a very good video on a rear cinch and you can see how much more stable that saddle is,and certainly shows how that rear cinch helps prevent the horse form being sored. The demo shows the tree, and how it moves with the horse, both with just a front cinch and with both back and front cinch. How can you argue, this point, having an open mind, willing to learn?
It is not rocket science

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Smilie, I understand that. I wasn't arguing with anyone, least of all you. I was merely stating that as the OP has figured out, some people will say you HAVE to use a certain piece of tack or use it a certain way or you are completely, 100% wrong. Like my friend who insists that a back cinch will prevent the saddle from flipping onto the horse's neck should they turn bronc or that she HAS to use a $300 pad on her mare or she'll come up sore in the back.

A lot of people I know trail ride without rear cinches and never have a problem. My Aussie saddle wasn't designed for use with a rear cinch and it was a great trail saddle.

I feel like you're kind of attacking me with no reason, to be honest. I never argued with you or anyone. I merely pointed out to the OP that they were going to see a lot of people in the horse world (not necessarily here on the forum) who say you have to do things a certain way or you're wrong.

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I think it may depend on the horses back and the location of the front cinch. Hondo has a pretty good back, and my endurance saddle has either a 5/8 or 3/4 front cinch located low on a fairly long skirt rather than directly on the bars as I understand some heavy duty roping saddles do.

My saddle does not have a place for a rear cinch and I have discontinued using a breast strap. I have been requested to go straight up and down some very steep stuff while others watched for what they expected to be a slipping saddle. Nary a slip either way.

The only thing I have to watch for is on longer or more strenuous rides Hondo tends to shrink a little. If I fail to tighten during the ride, the saddle may slip sideways which has happened twice. I run my front cinch as loose as possible. When mounting from the ground I generally need to go one hole higher, which is still looser than most.

I see the back end of regular western saddle popping up and down and back and forth every cattle roundup. I ain't about to tell them their saddle doesn't fit. They just say all saddles do that. Not mine though.
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That was the video I was ridiculing. If your saddle fits like a rocking chair, get another saddle. And a saddle tree BY ITSELF will not behave the same as a saddle with a butt in it. If someone thinks they need a rear cinch to keep the rear of their rocker in place, they need to change saddles. A saddle maker ought to know that!

DWRVT is asking about "a lightly ridden trail horse...just a flat trail ride horse for fun right now". If the OP decides to become a professional packer someday, then that will be a different thread.

But for the OP's use: you do not need a rear cinch to hold the rear of your saddle down. Your rump will do the job fine. There is a reason many trail saddles do not come with a rear cinch...

If you WANT to use one, and WANT to use a breast collar or anything else, that is fine too! My horses have been ridden in a rear cinch just because I think it is good for them to know about. But my horses are lightly ridden trail horses, ridden where water limits how long we ride. I don't need the rear cinch so I skip it. I think breast collars look neat, but my horses are slender enough that I suspect they would be tough to fit. In any case, for daily riding, the less I have to carry out and tack up, the happier I am.
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lets watch this video, and then argue about flaws, far as using a back cinch, esp trail riding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s9Hsht4yd8

People accept that horses now benefit from chiros at times, regular dental work, saddle fitting, which was an unknown in the past, so why not try and see what people who really work a horse in the back country, say about how aback cinch functions-even on a very good fitting saddle
Sorry, Drafty, in no means did I want to come across as attacking you, but I found your post perhaps suggesting that a back cinch is just a fashion statement of sort, with no proof that it does benefit the back of a horse, esp on long rough rides
The effects of not using one, might not show up in one year, two years, or even 5 years, but how would you feel if eventually your horse got a back problem, that might have been prevented, by the simple use of a back cinch on extended rides?
Use the info, or not.
My back cinch just stays on my working saddles, which I also use trail riding. If just training around home, going for a short ride down the road, I don't do up that back cinch, like I would on a trail ride
I'm not trying to convince anyone to use one, if they are happy not doing so, but the OP asked, and the fact remains, that a back cinch is user friendly on a horse that has to work long hours on rugged terrain, and she can then do with the info (not fad, preference ) , what she wishes.
Same as chosing to use amounting block, or not, even if you don't need one, based on what research has shown
Every one of us does with facts and info what we feel like doing, but that info should not be buried.
As I already mentioned, I still chose to ride without a helmet most times, but am not about to argue that it is the best choice!
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