"How would you have saddle bags with emergency equipment, food, bear spray, spare hoof boot, in case you loose a shoe, basic vet supplies, a slicker and a coat tied on the back of an English saddle?
Dunno...but it has been done. Those are not western saddles hiding under all that stuff:
Nor does one need to carry "emergency equipment, food, bear spray, spare hoof boot, in case you loose a shoe, basic vet supplies, a slicker and a coat" while on "a lightly ridden trail horse" [from post #1, starting this thread].
Me? If I stick a cell phone in my pants pocket, I'm doing good. I sometimes take a hoof pick, but I've removed rocks with the back of my pocket knife.
"using a back cinch has been proven to have benefits by people that are ,for no better term, 'professional back country riders, so it is not some extraneous type of equipment on a western saddle
From post #6, my first post on this thread: "Folks who rope or run barrels or do exciting things I don't do may have a different requirement. For light trail riding, though...this is what keeps the rear of the saddle down
" - then a picture of my rump, which I won't repeat so y'all can save on eye wash.
And in my second post, #11, I wrote: "When someone ropes cattle, it is a different story. I can't speak to hills, since the ones I'm willing to ride up or down don't stress things the way some of our more adventurous members do when riding in places that would make me wet my pants just to look at! I also know some folks who use a rear cinch and breastcollar every time they ride, although they don't ride anything more adventurous than me. They just like the look & feel and their horse seems happy so I'm happy for them
." - added underlining this time, for emphasis.
But I also got thinking about it today during my very short but very sweaty ride on Bandit...I've been known to call it quits when my bifocals get too much sweat on them. A rancher I know has a saddle. His boys have their saddles. His daughter has her saddle. They also have about 50 horses, which they ride in the mountains and in desert as tough as anywhere you could ask to ride. They have Arabians, QHs, and a lot of Appaloosas. But as I recall, they don't have a saddle for each horse, nor are they color coded - "I'm taking Buster, he's a red, gotta grab me a red saddle so it will fit him!". They pretty much use their saddle on whatever horse they grab. I'm certain they have never had custom saddles made for their horses!
On this thread long gone by, I asked if I could get away with keeping on using my CA/Martin saddle with some help: https://www.horseforum.com/western-ri...p-side-378906/
And in post #3, smrobs nailed it: "Are you sure
your saddle fits?"
But I don't have 50 horses. I suspect more than one rancher/cowboy has ridden a horse with an imperfect fitting saddle. If so, any extra help keeping the saddle on would apply. And in any case, folks who ride 50 miles in a day have a different need than I do, just as my old jogger's feet have a different need than a competitive runner.
"An Aussie saddle is a stock saddle, complete with bucking rolls, so neither an English or a traditional western saddle
I've got two. They are old style English dressage saddles with the knee roll moved up. In essence. Used one last week. I may try it again and watch the placement more closely.
"I already said that you don't need a back cinch everywhere you ride, and if you don't need one, that is fine. But, the point is, that a back cinch does have benefits, and I believe that the Op should be aware of them, and not just given personal preferences
Ummm...you are giving your personal preferences, based on where you ride. I'm doing likewise. I also spelled out clearly what riding I do, so she can decide if what I write applies to her.
My saddles don't slide side to side going up or down hill. But then, I don't have a ton of gear tied to them, and my saddles fit my horses pretty well. At least, during the last year they have...
But the British Cavalry sure loaded up their English saddles - they assumed 150 lbs of gear in addition to the rider - and they got by. Their saddles were not jump saddles, but they sure were not western stock saddles either.
And FWIW, here is another point that might be relevant for the OP:
My horses have good withers and inverted V backs, not mutton withers with inverted U backs. There is a reason the saddle stayed on when Trooper was cantering with the cinch bouncing against his front legs - the saddle fit on a horse whose body shape makes it easy for a saddle to stay on! During my brief ride on Bandit today, I deliberately put the cinch extra loose. We did turns in the arena and trotted, and I stuck my hand under the back of the saddle to feel how it was doing...and it was fine. But part of that is how Bandit is built - and how Mia, Lilly and Trooper were built. Not all horses come in a saddle-friendly shape. If your horse has a back like a tabletop, your needs might differ.