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post #11 of 33 Old 08-22-2015, 07:05 PM
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The technical bits of riding are sometimes based on a particular sport. For example, a dressage seat is best on a collected horse, and a forward seat best on a forward balanced horse. OTOH, if the horse is likely to make sudden, hard stops without asking permission first - which would get one huge downgrades in a show but which was & is a part of my riding life - then heels forward and down can save a spill.

Riding with constant contact is fine. I have nothing against it. It just isn't the normal goal in western riding. And for those who ride bitless, as I used to do, 'contact' takes on a whole different meaning.

From a western riding perspective, the thing that bothers me about this:



is that it looks tense. I hold my reins between my thumb and index finger. They support the weight of the rein. My other fingers get involved if I need to take the slack out, or to give cues with my pinkies - and with my right hand, I have to move my pinkie up to use it.



If the horse gets excited, then things change. If the horse won't respond to my pinkie, then my fist might be used. Or my shoulders. Or my whole body, if that is what it takes. But most of the time, my horse feels the change in how much slack is in the rein and responds off of that.

I prefer the look of the OP's hands, which look relaxed to me. Riding with constant contact is one of those places where English and Western riding diverge.

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"Elbow-hand-horse's mouth should be in a straight line"
What?
Oh, wait I guess you mean a diagonal line. Because I don't think it's physically possible to make it a horizontal or vertical line. XD
Anyway, I'll start doing that thing that someone posted a pic of, if it makes you happy. LOL
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post #13 of 33 Old 08-22-2015, 07:43 PM Thread Starter
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The technical bits of riding are sometimes based on a particular sport. For example, a dressage seat is best on a collected horse, and a forward seat best on a forward balanced horse. OTOH, if the horse is likely to make sudden, hard stops without asking permission first - which would get one huge downgrades in a show but which was & is a part of my riding life - then heels forward and down can save a spill.

Riding with constant contact is fine. I have nothing against it. It just isn't the normal goal in western riding. And for those who ride bitless, as I used to do, 'contact' takes on a whole different meaning.

From a western riding perspective, the thing that bothers me about this:



is that it looks tense. I hold my reins between my thumb and index finger. They support the weight of the rein. My other fingers get involved if I need to take the slack out, or to give cues with my pinkies - and with my right hand, I have to move my pinkie up to use it.



If the horse gets excited, then things change. If the horse won't respond to my pinkie, then my fist might be used. Or my shoulders. Or my whole body, if that is what it takes. But most of the time, my horse feels the change in how much slack is in the rein and responds off of that.

I prefer the look of the OP's hands, which look relaxed to me. Riding with constant contact is one of those places where English and Western riding diverge.
That was somewhat how I feel about it too
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post #14 of 33 Old 08-22-2015, 08:27 PM
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The picture just shows a tighter contact, but it doesn't have to be that way. I hold the reins like this on a much looser rein as well, and it allows my hand to work effectively. And, even if you ride bitless, as I do, as well, your hand still has to follow the contact and be soft - obviously, constant pressure or sudden bumps on the nose are just as unpleasant as hanging onto a bit.

Pistol is such a cute horse! :)
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Western, it is common to ride with a bridge, when using two hands and split reins.
No, that picture posted by Saranda, would have you looking like a saddle seat or some other type of English rider, where strong contact is used on the reins
I know, we are not talking showing, but the way those reins are being held, would be a disqualification, western stock horse
Romel reins are again held different.
But, since you don't show, if you are, happy that way and it works-carry on and why worry then about your finger?
Showing one handed, only one finger between the reins is allowed-just for interest sake!
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The picture just shows a tighter contact, but it doesn't have to be that way. I hold the reins like this on a much looser rein as well, and it allows my hand to work effectively. And, even if you ride bitless, as I do, as well, your hand still has to follow the contact and be soft - obviously, constant pressure or sudden bumps on the nose are just as unpleasant as hanging onto a bit.

Pistol is such a cute horse! :)

I just pointed it out,(before I am bashed) because the Op was asking about 'correctness', western, and if you ride with two hands,(( a jr horse , snaffle bit ) holding the reins as in that picture
is not legal
Before we get into showing, not showing, I only pointed out what is considered acceptable, were you to be judged, and other than that, people can ride how ever they like, which makes the Ops original question redundant
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post #18 of 33 Old 08-24-2015, 05:59 PM
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OP, When someone mentioned a "straight line" they mean direct contact ie--no slack in the reins.
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post #19 of 33 Old 08-24-2015, 07:07 PM
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I have been told that for green western snaffle horses you should be holding the reins under your pinkies, not between them and your ring finger, which is prep for a double bridle your horse will never wear.

This person trains in a mecate -- those hairy round reins would be difficult between two fingers -- might influence this.

True, false?

And of course, plenty of slack, this is one of those 'no, no, not continuous contact!' trainers. Actually very good for my trail horse trainee, as I sure won't be riding on contact over variable terrain and many miles.
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post #20 of 33 Old 08-24-2015, 10:59 PM
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^Slightly off topic, but can I ask how that would be prep for a double bridle? I was taught to have one rein under my ring finger, and the other under my middle finger.
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