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post #31 of 40 Old 06-26-2018, 06:53 PM
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It's a very good question, and I think it's one with a lot of answers. Even speaking strictly of riding skills, an intermediate dressage rider might be a novice or beginner at jumping. A person who could ride trails and terrain in all weather all day could be hopeless at barrel racing or equitation. There's so many different disciplines. By that note, there's so much to learn. And everything you do, I think, on the horse is connected to everything on the ground and in the barn - folks can't really advance, as riders, imho, unless they're learning (concurrently) about everything that goes along with the horse. I know for me I feel like everything is a chance to ask a question and learn something new - what's that called? Why does this horse use a bit and this one a hackamore? How are bridles and reins sized? Why? Why do we use this or that, and not the other thing? How does it affect the horse and how they go and how we ride? I think it's easier to say "this person is a beginner/intermediate/advanced in [x] discipline" because each discipline has those standards it follows. But a "rider" or "horseman/woman" is a more ephemeral thing to try and categorize, and may not matter as much to quantify as focusing on continually learning, absorbing feedback, trying new things and forming your own goals.

In my experience, people who are Quite Certain they're ready for something - owning an animal, a house, going to college, moving from home - seldom are ready. The folks who have a little anxiety, even after considering all the factors and making all the preparations - those folks are more likely to be ready for their big step.
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Most places will talk things through with you so you can tell them exactly what you've done in a specific discipline or even trekking/trail riding.
I spent a lot of my life hunting in the UK and Eire but if I was to go on a trail riding holiday that involved riding close to steep drops I'd be worse than a beginner because I'd be off the horse and crawling along on my hands and knees!!

The length of time a persons been riding isn't always a good way to judge either because a person who's got natural ability, has had good lessons on good horses and been allowed to move on to more challenging horses can be a lot more experienced in a couple of years than someone who's been riding quietly around the trails on a quiet old plod for much longer.
We had an owner on our yard who had barely done more than sit on his wife's horse but took it over when she lost interest, he got interested in eventing and despite a lot of sniggering behind his back he was hunting in a good style by the end of his first year and competing in novice classes then competing at Intermediate Level within two years, had a couple of very nice horses, one a youngster that he brought on himself but he worked really hard at it, was very brave and even spent time working unpaid in return for lessons with UK eventer Ginny Elliot to improve himself.
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In the end OP, if you go see a horse and ride it, you will find out whether you are ready for this horse or not. You'll quickly find out what your limitations are, and how well the two of you are matched.

I'll be honest, when my daughter was 10, I went against my better judgment and bought her a hot Arabian. He was perfectly trained and a top dressage horse in our province, but very forward. She but had been jumping on lesson horses for a couple of years, but on him, was very much still a beginner. He was a challenge for her. But boy, when they clicked, it was poetry in motion. It took her about two years to really be able to ride him to his full potential. She only completed a course of (low) jumps with him for the first time last summer. So it was a while before she grew into him, but at no point was her safety in jeopardy -- he was just the type of horse that doesn't respond unless you ask correctly. So sometimes it can be good to get a horse that is a schoolmaster, but still provides you with a challenge. The question is how big a challenge can you deal with? I'd encourage you to aim for a small challenge rather than a big one.

I also think some people list their horses as being for intermediate riders in sale ads because they don't want the horse to end up in a bad situation with a beginner that can't handle it.
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post #34 of 40 Old 06-26-2018, 08:18 PM
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off-topic but @Fimargue did you get the mare back or you now having to work with the girl in training now?
I'm still giving her lessons, and yesterday and today I worked with the mare to sort her out. Not that there was much to sort out for me - I know her, she knows me. After all, it was I who put her under saddle and trained her. I found that she was back to her normal self today and happy to work with me, bless her.

Only problem is that I will be moving this weekend two hours away, so won't be able to be there physically.


Ok, so let's play a bit with this subject.

  • So, as a horse person I'm advanced
  • As a trail rider, I would be advanced as I'm used to heading out with all types of horses and sitting through and sorting their antics. One of the tasks of my job was to put horses back to work and teaching horses to go out by themselves on the roads. My own mare used to run off because of cars... That was my first and the most difficult situation to sort out and what gave me the confidence to deal with issues like that.
  • As a dressage rider I'm intermediate because I'm fairly new to dressage and this way of riding and have schooled horses only up to a certain point now, having progressed with them. The irony of the fact that I was not interested in dressage when I had free access to Grand Prix level horses...

On the other hand I have started and trained horses up to a certain point, but haven't dealt with rearers and bucking broncos, so you know, I have still some stuff to experience to be worthy of "experienced" lol.

And jumping I will probably always remain less than novice. Haven't even started in adult age.

Is not the amount of time, it's the amount of stuff done and learned in that time.

Ideal way to go is to handle and ride many horses regularly.

Someone on another forum said this:
"Experienced" means having years having different experience, as opposed to doing the same thing year after year. So riding one or two horses for 20 years would not an experienced rider make. Nor riding 102 horses round and round the same block.
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Every time I read this explanations of what the different levels are to different people, I end up feeling worse and worse . I feel like a lesser and lesser rider, and of course, I haven't changed an inch.

95% of us are intermediate . . . . . somewhere.

I think once you stop interfering with the hrose's movement, and you become aware of horse behaviors that are 'less than' desired, you have enteres lower intermediate. When you get to the place where you can do things that "help" the hrose's movement and behavior improve , you are in the full interemediate area, and when you can help a real problem horse, you are intereing advanced.

Now, tell me, . . . .why does that matter? if you are going to get a horse . . go get it!
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This is going to be a long post, sorry!

@Avna I know some strong feelings have been created here and in other threads. I would just like to say I am not going to apologise for saying what I said. You called me beginner in an insulting way, when I proud to be a clean-slate learner and I found the way you phrased it wasn't necessary. Yes, you seem like a very knowledgeable person, and I would rather you put that to good use instead of attempting to shove me down.

@Gold enHorse IMO my reaction to Avna was needed, I will stand up for myself and not let others trample over me. The fact that I "don't have the mindset of an intermediate rider" doesn't concern you I don't think, simply based on me defending myself against someone calling me a beginner, phrased to insult.

@Acadianartist my trainer is also very qualified in my region too, and she does teach other people how to become coaches. She has been doing dressage nearly all of her life, and has been around, riding and working with horses since she was 2. And let me tell you, she is on the older side! She gives me a description of the problem horses, tells me what their main issues are, she puts me on them (leads me for a minute) and then I walk at a slow pace, keeping the horse under control.

I also take lessons with some of my experienced horse friends who have been riding for 10 years, I do not ride some of there horses as they pretty hard to handle. I do lead them, wash them, rug them, halter + feed them, etc which I still think is great experience. One is a 16.2hh TB who I lunge (sometimes), then a 15.2hh ASU x QH who I work with too.

@mmshiro I talked to my parents about this and they semi-agreed. You are very right in saying I have to be an expert in taking care of horses, and the riding skills are a seperate something. Yes! I love the way you have put the whole DIY or when to call for help mindset! I notice I start to do little things around the yard like that. Good practice I think.

@Kalraii I enjoy a bit of constructive criticism. However, I do not believe Avna's was in any way constructive. Withe the UK levels, I would be intermediate-advanced to advanced, because I do have a few jump lessons booked with another trainer about 1hr away next week. So excited! You are so true about the commercial ridings school. I used to attend one in my local area, and they told me I was "so good" and I look back at videos now, only to see my canter was disgusting, my trot was all over the joint, my feet kept falling out of the stirrups and I was a shocker. Until I met my trainer, I looked so much better in just a few short months.I will start to record my lessons! Great idea.

@Horsef I agree too. The labels have caused me hours of confusion figuring out which bracket I sit in! Your holiday sounds very interesting.

@gottatrot I totally agree here. I know now I not quite there yet.
@tinyliny I told my parents this too! They really loved it. Thank you.

Thanks to everyone who responded.
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Not asking you to apologize, asking you to understand what I meant. If you had, then you wouldn't have been angry. That didn't happen, oh well. Your choice.

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I pretty much agree with @Avna on the basic description of a beginner vs an intermediate. I did not, do not, think there was ANY insult or attempt to degrade your self-described status. It is what it is, and there is no shame in it, and I do NOT think Avna was impuning beginners in any way shape or form. Don't take it personally. If it doesn't apply to YOU, then don't apply it to yourself.

I adore beginner riders! they are the best!. I would much rather ride and hang out with beginners any day of the week. Keeps me humble and makes me feel important, at the same time.
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